Talk:Pacific Northwest Wrestling

Portland Wrestling Merger
The entry for Portland Wrestling should be merged with the entry for Pacific Northwest wrestling for a simple reason - they are the same organization. When Portland Wrestling re-opened in either 2000 or 2001, as part of the promotional video package aired on their first TV broadcast on the WB, they established that they were the new version of the old PNW, and stressed a title lineage with the PNW belts and are currently using the old Pacific Northwest titles.

Thus, I believe that is appropriate and fitting of the purpose of Wikipedia (and the Pro Wrestling WikiProject) to combine the two entries into one, to better represent the history of Pacific Northwest Wrestling/Portland Wrestling. Peyton Westlake 06:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I brought the Portland Wrestling page back onto the PNW page, but I'm not certain it belongs here. While PW claims their titles to be of the same lineage, they are not; and even if they are using the old PNW belts, those belts said "NWA" on the top of them, the current form of PW is not affiliated with the NWA.


 * I'm finding further difficulty with the fact that I am unable to determine if Sandy Barr sold his company to the person who (re)started Portland Wrestling in 2001 or if the person started it on their own (Don Coss as owner was honestly a slightly educated guess based only on the fact that he has ties to the original PNW/PW and that he is listed as the Chairman of the Board of the current PW); which leads me to the fact that I can not determine who owned PW from 2001-2003, and IF it was even sold to Frank Culbertson in 2003.


 * It's there for now, but I'd like to see some discussion on this.Theophilus75 23:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The "New Portland Wrestling" of 2003 was not a direct descendant of Don Owens Portland Wrestling, nor was it a descendant of Sandy Barr's company. The "New Portland Wrestling" of 2003 was a newly created organization and had no ties to the NWA or any other historic company.OregonWrestling

Importance level to the pro wrestling project
I changed the importance level to mid because it doesn't cover general knowledge (high) or highly specific area of knowledge or an obscure piece of trivia (low), but rather it it fills in some more specific knowledge of certain areas. Pacific Northwest Wrestling under Don Owen was one of the major territories from the 1940/50s to the early 1980s. Even after WWF, PNW held strong as a major player throught the 1980's, and even up until its closing in 1992 still was promoting matches with tops stars (Roddy Piper, Crush of Demolition, the Harris Brothers).Theophilus75 21:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This is an old discussion, but I thought it might need revisiting. The importance level was changed to low on October 30, 2009, with the explanation of "I'd say this is more Start at its current state and isn't of mid importance to the project."  As I'm as tired of pointing out as I'm sure others are tired of reading, WP:PW as it currently exists primarily parrots a certain few commercial wrestling websites, which favor a WWE-centric view of pro wrestling, including its history.  The participants appear to lack the realization that Wikipedia is something other than that.  The article is a bit more extensive than most Start-class articles I normally read.  I'm not certain that the works of Northwest-based wrestling historians, such as J. Michael Kenyon and Mike Rodgers, have even been utilized as sources.  I've seen stuff of theirs on the web, which I'm sure could greatly expand some of the sections on the history of Don Owen Promotions, if nothing else.  As for the importance level, there are a few, not many, but a few promotion articles assessed as Mid-importance.  There are plenty more articles assessed as Mid-importance covering topics which are best described as so much minutiae.  The series of TripleManía articles would serve as a good example of that.  Don Owen Promotions alone, never mind combined with other related and unrelated promotions, holds far more significance in the realm of pro wrestling than a good deal of what I've seen assessed at Mid.  Many of the active participants of WP:PW seem to feel as if articles which are easier to promote to GA and FA are more worthy of their time, and that the importance scale is nothing more than a form of kayfabe.RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup section tag
The section on other notable federations needs clean up. Specifically, the CAPSLOCK needs to be turned off--in other words the section's entries need to be redone in Title Case. Second, if notable, they need to be wikilinked (put brackets around them so future articles can be written). If they aren't notable enough by Wikipedia standards, they shouldn't be listed at all. Finally, I'm not sure this section should be included at all--this article shouldn't be a laundry list or catchall for every other Pacific Northwest wrestling topic. If a general article is needed, then it should be at Wrestling in the Pacific Northwest, as this article's title refers to a specific federation. Katr67 (talk) 21:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the caps lock should be changed. However "pacific northwest" covers 70 years of wrestling in the Northwest and doesn't actually refer to any specific company. The term "Portland Wrestling" refers to 4 different and distinct federations that all promoted under the same name. OregonWrestling (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * There are articles of the form of "Professional wrestling in...", but they appear to be specific to a country, rather than a region within a country. I dunno if it would be breaking convention to rename the article to "Professional wrestling in the Pacific Northwest", but it would certainly make more sense, given the evolution of this article.  OTOH, Universal Wrestling Federation (Bill Watts) covers the UWF and the best known of its lineal predecessors, which were perhaps more notable than the UWF.  Unfortunately, since the priorities of WP:PW seem to be centered on judging notability strictly on television exposure than on any perhaps more realistic criteria, there's probably not much to be done about that.RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

This page needs to be watched for Vandalism. It has recently been vandalised multiple times by someone representing themself as wrestling promoter "bob spicher". Currently it has only verifiable facts that are supported by references and i needs to stay that way. People need to remember that anytime they make an edit, it needs to be only verifiable and factual information.--OregonWrestling (talk) 19:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:Donowen.JPG
The image File:Donowen.JPG is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check


 * That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
 * That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. --04:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I overlooked that whole part when I linked the file. I'm not fond of these sort of things, but I'll take care of it, seeing as how no one else has.RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Legit Wrestling
I placed a contradict tag on this section. I previously tagged the statement that Portland Wrestling footage had fallen into the public domain. By my definition, "public domain" means free of copyright. Just because neither KPTV nor Barry Owen are challenging the redistribution, retransmission and reuse of Portland Wrestling footage, doesn't mean that the footage is free of copyright. Someone later inserted the statement that Matt Legit's YouTube account was yanked due to a copyright infringment claim. I get the impression that it was a "competitor" who did this, namely someone else who is redistributing footage but doesn't hold a valid copyright claim themselves. I could be wrong about that. Anyway, to make this simpler, these two statements don't make sense when put together. It should be simple enough to figure out: how can you file a copyright infrigement claim on something which is in the public domain?RadioKAOS (talk) 13:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

As I am the Matt Legit in question, I would like to add that I did extensive research into the ownership of the Don Owen Sports' video archive, including calling both the State of Oregon and the United States Library of Congress. Neither government entities have ANY documentation regarding this footage, which I was further insured of during my time working with Portland Wrestling Uncut and KPTV. According to Copyright Law of the United States, the only lawful possibility of a copyright claim would exist on work created after 1990. It took a long, long, long time to unravel this mystery, so please don't brush it off. - Matthew Merz youtube.com/LegitProWrestling — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.128.100.168 (talk) 12:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC)