Talk:Padstow/Archive 1

Darkie Day
An anonymous user asked whether this was a joke. I don't wish to enter into the rights and wrongs of it, but can confirm it is not a joke


 * See a BBC article on it

Hope that helps. Duncshine 14:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

On the origins of the 'Obby 'Oss festival
" /.../ Although its origins are unclear, it most likely stems from an ancient fertility rite, perhaps the Celtic festival of Beltane. /.../ "

I would like to see some sources here. Many people automatically ascribe Celtic roots to all aspects of English (and Cornish) folk culture whose origins are obscure, when there are in fact often good reasons to suspect that they date from Anglo-Saxon times or later. Jonas Liljeström 12:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If that is the case then, surely, you can present some evidence to prove your suspicions and "good reasons"? Celticist Dr Anne Ross would, in fact does, argue that all English traditions and festivals have their origins in pagan Celtic festivals. This is not to suggest, I feel sure, that these did not evolve to suit the community that used/adapted them. Current research and thinking on the post Roman arrivals to Britain suggest that the Anglo-Saxon socio-political advance east to west (and north) was, apparently(!) peaceful and in relatively insignificant numbers. As a period in history it was politically significant but culture comes from the people plus the fact that the hybrid 'Anglo-Saxon' period was comparatively short lived.  Will we ever really know and does it really matter? -- TGG 15:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Use of Padstein is offensive
Whilst it is true that some (isn't this a weasel word?) have cynically used this term to reflect the presence, and activities, of a certain TV celebrity within Padstow, as a Padstonian I can assure you that it is offensive. I have reinstated the term but rephrased it. In fact, its relevance to the article itself is very dubious and, in my opinion, it should be removed before - as with all external referencing to Cornish place names - it will become the corrupt 'English' norm and be registered in some Dictionary/Encyclopedia as a 'Cornish placename'! -- TGG 15:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The whole thing is weasely – I dare say it's true, but it's original research until it gets a reference, and "some" is rather worryingly unencyclopædic. The fact that it's offensive, as well as weasely, doesn't really make it unsuitable for Wikipedia, if it is true, but let's back it up with a reference before we go down that road. I've removed it again but maintained a mention of Mr Stein and his businesses in a newly broken-out section. – Kieran T  ( talk  18:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Talskiddy's addition of media sources, does not mitigate against the offensive nature of this cynical term applied to Padstow. The fact that he does not discuss it or seek to put it into context is sad.  If he can prove that it was 'locals' then in what context was it used - this is essential to make such a comment relevant to wikipedia.  I have restore my original comment but would certainly accept the validity of your replacement.  To focus so much on this specific topic is to give credibility to media gossip and, given the long history of Padstow, it is a travesty to even include it -- TGG 17:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Whilst I did not start the Padstein issue I felt that the references may inform how the term came to be used. I'm not saying the term is a good or a bad term just that it is common knowledge here in Cornwall that the term is used by locals, I have heard it used myself. If you need the proof try a Google search for 'locals' and 'Padstow' and you get 317 hits. some examples include the following...


 * "Padstein" to the locals
 * Padstow (or Padstein, as a few disgruntled locals have tagged it)
 * locals have nick-named the place 'Padstein'
 * Padstow is now nicknamed "Padstein". Some locals resent the way he has made the port posh
 * Nicknamed " Padstein " by locals Talskiddy 19:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Talskiddy, I have no doubt that the term had been used, I am a Padstonian, and I am also fully aware of the cynical way in which it had originally been employed - and picked up, typically, by the media. What concerns me is the superficial mentality that wishes to perpetuate this offensively hijacked term for the purpose of a sentence in wikipedia that will go the way that only the Imperial English mind, as we know, can develop it.  If you wish to perpetuate this, then I must also be permitted to put this into its proper context so that both sides of the coin may be presented.  I can assure you it will not be a happy relationship! -- TGG 20:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * As a fellow Cornishman, I consider my edit to the item to be NPOV. Talskiddy 21:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * As a Cornishman, Talskiddy, I would have thought you could have found much more of relevance and interest to post about Padstow, rather than publicly air what is no more than an example of local 'dirty linen'. The whole thrust of the 'padstein' inclusion (plus references) is to give some locally derived air of respectability to what is in effect an expression of what is seen in Padstow (and probably elsewhere) as just a more high-profile example of the asset-stripping of Cornwall.  If you wish me to include this in the article to ensure some balance to the item, I shall willingly oblige the request for a citation.  I must also ask you to show, conclusively, that it was indeed a term coined by 'locals'. Not forgetting, of course, the most important piece of information...why?  A name would be essential, rather than rely on just hearsay.  How do you know that it was not simply contrived by 'others', having a vested interest?  The internet is deemed to be a good source of information.  It does, however, also act as a parasitic carrier for misinformation as here and which may well indicate a possible source of the term. BTW 1,430 google hits for 'padstein'! -- TGG 13:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The link "http://beehive.thisiscornwall.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome&ID=11810" is defunct and should be removed. This leaves the point unproven and POV, therefor it should be changed. Also the term "Stein led boom" uses "weazel words" and should be changed. Stein did not "lead " a boom in house prices, he merely opened a business there.Serpren (talk) 06:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Camel Trail
The link which someone has used for the Camel Trail doesn't seem to work. Does anyone know which website was intended. A Google search shows that there are many other suitable websites which refer to the Camel Trail cycle path.Dahliarose 16:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Blackface
The use of blackface is no more racist than is dressing as a greenman. I am unsure why there is a reference to no slaves ships. What have slaves ships got to do with anything? I am also confused by the reference to the day being renamed Mummers' Day - what was its name before the change, and how could a change avoid offense - unless the original unidentified name was offensive!Royalcourtier (talk) 06:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)