Talk:Pagtatag!/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator:

Reviewer: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Saw your work over at "Gento", and this nomination convinced me to listen to the full project. To put it lightly, I'm sold! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's cool! Glad you like the EP as much as I did! Looking forward to your review. :) – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 14:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Well-written
I might have to use EM dashes more often, they work so smoothly here. Otherwise, the prose feels very clear. Right, here goes:
 * in the band's ongoing music trilogy—following Pagsibol (2021)—with artistic themes on — these themes could be taken as applying to the whole trilogy, moreso than just Pagtatag!.
 * Paraphrased: I agree; I've seen this coming but did not know how to paraphrase it back then. Let me know if the wording is okay.
 * who previously worked on Pagsibol, — I would replace the comma with a closing EM dash.
 * Replaced
 * hence using gold mining as a metaphor, — the sentence seems to already say this. To yoink this from the "Gento" article, perhaps you could replace it with, "using gold mining as a metaphor for the group's career".
 * Replaced
 * in a slow soul R&B production — "against slow soul R&B production"?
 * Replaced
 * adrenaline-rushing — this descriptor feels more promotional/abstract than the others, so I'd put quotation marks around it.
 * Added quotes
 * Ah, I presumed this was literally in the source, I tweaked it a bit if you don't mind. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * setting free trials — what does this mean?
 * Paraphrased: It is supposed to mean letting go of struggles or similar, which, looking back, indeed does not read well. I hope "escaping from struggles" would read better.
 * All-Out Sundays—on May 21, 2023—and ASAP Natin 'To—on June 11, 2023—respectively — the dates seem to be written in a, well, respective way, so perhaps: "All-Out Sundays and ASAP Natin on May 21 and June 11, 2023, respectively.
 * Done – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 08:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research
Ref formatting looks very clean and (wow) all sources are reliable for what they cite. Paraphrasing is used very effectively, and Earwig shows an impressive score of 17%.

Spot-check

 * Their departure from dance-pop is a reasonable inference, looks good
 * The "Gento" and "Crimzone" sentences are further supported by other refs, looks good
 * Cebuano is confirmed by the lyric and mention of Bisaya in the other source, looks good
 * Can't find the "clapping" and "strong bass beats", did you mean to compound it with the Mega source? Looks good otherwise.
 * Whoops, my bad. Yep. The Mega article should support those claims. I have added a citation next to it for verifiability. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good
 * Can't find the "clapping" and "strong bass beats", did you mean to compound it with the Mega source? Looks good otherwise.
 * Whoops, my bad. Yep. The Mega article should support those claims. I have added a citation next to it for verifiability. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good
 * Looks good
 * Looks good

Broad in its coverage
The article generally looks quite nice on this front. I was expecting more info about the EP's production, but the interviews with the group are so very scarce on details. I imagine this is common among many large P-pop or K-pop type groups, so it's alright. However:
 * Any mention of the group being self-managed under 1Z Entertainment for the project? For reference, this Rappler interview discusses it. (it doesn't have much else of note in terms of production)
 * Thanks for bringing this up! I have added information regarding 1Z in the background and development section.
 * If you haven't already, I would consider looking over this Clash interview for any potential details, it's quite vague, but who knows.
 * I have read through the transcripts of the interview. I don't think there are other details I could add from the interview since most of them are quite trivial. Though, Pablo's answer to one question is quite promising, it's quite, as you've said, vague.
 * I'll leave this as even more conditional. For the reception section, this Bulatlat article claims that the EP strengthened the P-pop movement, among other things. And this Inquirer piece upon release has some more reception scraps. The Bulatlat article seems decently-written, but I'm not sure if the company holds much weight in Filipino media. Anyways, I'll only leave these sources as considerations.
 * I have added both Bulatlat and Inquirer articles. Bulatlat has been cited in some articles and has disclosed its editorial team, so I think it'll be a fine add. The Inquirer article has only a few details to go out off, so it is a bit of a stretch. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 13:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these finds! I will take a look at these soon. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 08:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral
See the minor quibble about the quotation marks, but otherwise, no issues on this front. The article is balanced and all quotations are attributed.

Stable
No recent content disputes or edit wars.

Illustrated
The cover art and samples have proper fair use rationales; the images from Flickr and the YouTube video are both Creative Commons.

Summary
Thanks for your patience, this was a lovely read, great work! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing and copyediting the article and for your kind words! I will make sure to address your comments right away. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 05:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi! I have finished addressing all your comments. Hopefully, everything has been done to your liking. Do let me know if you have anything else. I will be waiting for the spot checks as well. – Relayed  (né Abacusada) (t • c) 13:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I like the changes and additions! Only one thing to solve for the spot-check. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have replied to the spot check above. Let me know if you have anything else! – <span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif, sans-serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-top-left-radius: 5px;border-bottom-left-radius: 5px;border-top-right-radius: 0px;border-bottom-right-radius: 0px;border-color: #252f9c;background: #252f9c;color: #cfe5ff;">Relayed <span style="font-family: Microsoft Sans Serif, sans-serif;letter-spacing: -.6px;border: 2px solid;border-top-left-radius:0px;border-bottom-left-radius:0px;border-top-right-radius:5px;border-bottom-right-radius:5px;border-color:#cfe5ff;background:#cfe5ff;color:#252f9c;"> (né Abacusada) (t • c) 17:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I do believe that's everything, I am now happy to pass this article! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 17:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)