Talk:Pain & Gain

Pete Collins
Currently "Pete Collins" links to a soap opera character list. I did a few cursory google searches, and can find no evidence that this is the same "Pete Collins," and in fact, found scant evidence of his existence in any media. If anyone has better information than I do, please offer it now. --24.5.197.145 (talk) 00:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Pete Collins, a native Miamian, is an investigative journalist, a university-level lecturer and magazine writer. Collins' three-part series titled Pain & Gain was published in 1999 by Miami New Times newspaper. Collins and Ed DuBois, the hero of Pain & Gain, have been friends for years. Click here for a link to writer Pete Collins' website.

BrentEastman (talk) 22:27, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Starring?
Which cast members should go in the "Starring" section of the infobox? For example, is someone with a role title of "Principle Sun Gym Trainer" considered to be "starring" in the film? 65.69.203.252 (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler alert
Do we need to spoil the end of the movie in the lead of the article, for Christ's sake? If I cared to find out the ending I'd research the Sun Gym Gang. How about put that text in that article? --Hutcher (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I removed the death row spoiler from the intro paragraph. Anyone who wants to read further will find that outcome in the "Fates" subsection of the "Plot" category. - Froid (talk) 18:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Production budget
The "Production" paragraph states: "Bay reported the budget was $22 million", while the Infobox lists the budget as $55 million. That huge discrepancy begs for an explanation. However, all of the articles I've come across cite the budget as somewhere between $22-$26 million, and I haven't seen any documentation explaining the production budget's almost-tripling. If anyone else finds such documentation, would you please briefly explain/cite it in the "Production" paragraph? - Froid (talk) 18:19, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Comparison between film and real life events
In this section of the article, it states, "In reality, Lugo did not accidentally kill Griga; Doorbal purposefully killed him."

While it's true that Doorbal commits the murder, he did not do it "purposefully" - the intent was to kidnap Griga and extort his wealth, in the same manner as they did to Marc Schiller. Killing him when they did netted them nothing but a Lamborghini - they didn't even get the entry codes to Griga's house, let alone access to his bank accounts, etc.

From "Pain & Gain" - Pete Collins' article:

"After taking a breather and surveying the messy scene, Lugo and Doorbal checked on their prize catch, the man (Griga) who would soon be hauled off to a warehouse where he would gently be persuaded to provide them with untold riches; the man who, along with his luckless girlfriend, would also be dead before long.

To their everlasting disappointment they discovered they'd overdone it: Griga was dying. And they hadn't gotten a single penny out of him. They'd taken everything from Schiller but couldn't kill him. Maybe someday they'd get it right."

Stelbs20 (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Lugo or Swanson?
Is the character name Lugo or Swanson? 77.77.248.195 (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Sabina Elena Petrescu
In the Comparisons section it says "Sabina Elena Petrescu (portrayed onscreen by Bar Paly as Sorina Luminita), was in fact a Solid Gold center-stage stripper." Can someone elaborate, for those of us not familiar with strip clubs/culture, what a 'solid gold center-stage stripper' actually is? I assume she wasn't literally made of gold but it's impossible to work out from this page what it actually means. Danikat (talk) 13:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I believe the reference is to the Solid Gold strip club in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.68.211 (talk) 06:19, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Homosexual Relationship References
I've deleted the link referencing a real life homosexual relationship between the characters as it is not supported by the source listed. FYI, here is the edit that added the unsourced information:. Rsrikanth05 refuses to actually read the source or use the talk page, so I'd welcome other input. Since this concerns living persons and is not verifiable using the sources, I've reverted the edits in accordance with the BLP policy. Thoughts? --Nyroska (talk) 07:55, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course, other reverts were fine, but mine are tagged as refuses to read.:If you looked at the LAST EDIT I made, I clearly changed the words to match what was mentioned in the ref. This is NOT a violation of the BLP policies because it is not about a living person, but about a movie. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The content was changed to match the source, so there cannot really be any debate about it. Second, since the movie is based on real-life people, BLP should be taken into account. Does Chen meet the WP:RS requirements to satisfy BLP?-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(ring-ring)  12:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You did change in the last edit, I appreciate it. However, I would say that the wording is still not in accordance with the source.  To be clear, the movie features no "homosexual relationships", only homosexual inferences and slurs.  I would argue that the original wording is more in line with the reference.  Using the term "the homosexual relationships between the real life counterparts" implies a relationship either in the film or in real life people, and that does not match Chen's article.  I would again argue that this constitutes exactly the type of content that BLP was created to remove.
 * BLP states that the burden of evidence is on the person who restores the material, so I would appreciate you bringing up citations from the article that support your phrasing. I appreciate you taking the time to read the article. --Nyroska (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not trying to continue the edit war, but both WP:BLP and WP:PROVEIT apply. Even if you don't agree with BLP (though the section in question concerns the living persons on whom the article is based), I'm asking for a specific section of text in the reference that verifies the assertion (I've found none and I have searched several times). --Nyroska (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2015
Under the heading "Real Life Outcomes, Adrian Noel Doorbal is listed only as Noel Doorbal. Please change it to Adrian Noel Doorbal.Mainerisms (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Mainerisms (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Florida Department of Corrections lists him as just Noel Doorbal (see the citation link at the end of that line you desire changed), so I am hesitant to make any changes. Input from others would be appreciated.-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(ring-ring)  19:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Misreading of Chen
There's a long quotation from Chen to support the assertion of a "real-life twist" in that the Kershaw character is arrested and jailed for Medicare fraud. If you read Chen closely, however, and even in the quotation, that's not what he says, but rather that the MOVIE added this twist, i.e., it didn't happen in real life. So that needs to be clarified, if it can be. The Chen quotation is also a bit syntactically unclear. But my understanding is that that didn't happen in real life, only in the movie. As currently written, it makes it seem like it happened in real life. Theonemacduff (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2017 (UTC)