Talk:Pain and suffering in laboratory animals

Cleanup
This article needs cleaning up - currently it consists almost entirely of material sourced from the animal testing article (some of which I've now deleted from that article) and derives mostly from a single source, and contains a lot of anecdote and speculation. --Coroebus 16:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

NPOV in current views
All material in the current views section is based on Carbone. It also seems to disagree with other wikipedia articles on the question at hand. A strong bias against animal testing is apparent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by O76923 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The burden of proof seems to be on those who say animals feel pain. But if pain is an evolutionary tool and a survival necessity. . . then of course anything with a nervous system feels pain. Quite a lot of pain. 76.105.157.77 (talk) 14:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Jeremy Bentham
I remember from my training to work on lab animals the opposition of the Descartes quote with a quote by Jeremy Bentham: “The question is not, can they reason? Nor, can they talk? But, can they suffer?”. The course was very well structured and this quote very well expresses the modern attitude towards animal suffering. I think it should be worked in if this article is redone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.178.7.127 (talk) 14:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Content fork
I have concerns that this page suffers from being an unintentional content fork, and have started this discussion section in hopes of getting suggestions on how to remedy it. (Minor clarification: I do not consider the page to be a coat rack, but the only template I could find combines both coat racks and content forks.) I'm seriously considering making this page a redirect, but I feel it would be better to seek other remedies first. In its present form, it seems to me to be entirely redundant with Pain in animals and Animal testing regulations. It's not clear to me what would be covered here that could not also be covered better in one or the other of those pages, unless it would be to have material making a case that there is some particular pain and suffering of lab animals in a way that raises POV issues. I understand, of course, that lab animals are a special case of animals in general, but why not expand Pain in animals to reflect that more fully, and redirect this page there? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Merger discussion
Per the above, I suggest now that we merge this page into Pain in animals, and make this page a redirect to there. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree – makes sense to me. --Geronimo20 (talk) 20:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree Anthony (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)