Talk:Palazzo Serra di Cassano

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There seems to be some confusion concerning the Serra Albergo. May I direct you to http://libernobilitatis.blogspot.com In the 14th & 15th Centuries there was indeed an Albergo Serra. They were not consolidated into the Albergo Lercara until 1528. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.224.27 (talk) 03:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That site is an obvious example as the Barbaro hoax and already noted as such. (See User:Barneca/watch/Barbaro) Edward321 (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You may also want to read the article in "The Gentlman's Magazine" written in London during the 19th Century, by Stacey Grimaldi, and now available at Google books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.224.27 (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sources are best if you actually provide links to them. Spelling correctly also helps - there are zero Gbooks hits for Stacy Grimaldi as an author. . The correct name is Stacey Grimaldi and the source shows that while the Serra did have an albergo, there were only 28 officially recognized alberghi in Genoa,  Edward321 (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Contributor 68... is correct. The Serra family were one of 54 families of 'old nobility' that were connected to an albergo. In 1528 they were restructured into the Lecaro albergo, when there was only 28 alberghi in Genoa after the reform. In fact, in 1528 there was no formal Serra albergo, the Serra family was part of the Lecaro albergo.


 * May I suggest you check this source on google books: Genoa and the Sea; Policy and Power in an Early Modern Maritime Republic by Thomas Allison Kirk; p. 25 ( the 54 families of old nobility are listed and the 28 alberghi are listed, of which there is no Serra albergo at that point. The London's gentleman's magazine is not a quality source to gather information from. It was just a general topic publication that talked about various subjects in a light manner.


 * Also your so-called hoax list, as I can see from the edit history, has been mostly made up of contributions by user Edward 321, which I also see from the talk page of Albergo that you were someone who wanted to call the whole topic of a noble albergo a "hoax". Empty accusations based on opinions don't constitute a fact, moreover not being able to find info on google books doesn't mean that the info doesn't exist in other sources not listed on google books.PalazzoSerra (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not so-called. About 70 different nicks have been blocked for hoaxing on these subjects, none of them by me. Google books has repeatedly exposed the lies of the hoaxer. I'm not sure what you mean by a "noble albergo", sources clearly show people of all economic classes joining alberghi.  I did not say that albergo were definitely a hoax, I pointed out that the article had been created and largely edited by another banned sockpuppet of the Barbaro hoaxer, and thus could not be trusted in the slightest. Edward321 (talk) 01:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that all info should be sourced properly on wikipedia for inclusion, but right now, the Serra family as one of the 28 alberghi after the reform is incorrect, and should be corrected according to a reputable souce like the Thomas Allison Kirk book.PalazzoSerra (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I have upgraded the reference. Got any sources saying the Serra joined the Lecaro albergo? Edward321 (talk) 01:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Not only were the Serra organized into an Albergo prior to the Doria reforms of 1528, but "Noble" Alberghi were the Alberghi founded around the Noble house and not "Populi" houses, NOT houses which EXCLUDED all but Noble members. While it is correct that all Serra in the Albergo were not "Noble" they were all members of the "Noble Albergo". French Sociologist Jacques Heers, speaks to the issue of the "consanguity" notion (even if biologicaly mythical) of the Alberghi, even when composed of various classes (sometime even including former slaves) and families which took the name of the Noble House around which they were formed. Sorry about my spelling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.96.50 (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * First, that is totally irrelevant to the subject of the article, which is a building. Second, have you got any sour that says that? Edward321 (talk) 02:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Just answering YOUR question concerning Noble Alberghi which was also irrelevant to the building. "I'm not sure what you mean by a 'Noble Albergo' etc."? Read Heers or George Gorse. As to the Banking & Insurance history of the Albergo Serra see The Burlington Magazine, London "Rubens in Genoa". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.96.50 (talk) 03:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I was asking PalazzoSerra what he meant by the term. Are you saying you are him? And have you got any reliable sources that use the term the way you do?Edward321 (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2010 (UTC)