Talk:Pale ale/Archive 2

BJCP
A consensus has been reached on the beer style talk page to include the BJCP link. If you believe it isn't right for the pale ale article please discuss inadequacies here. Do not simply revert edits please, your behavior is disruptive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalIvey (talk • contribs) 18:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Dispute this on its merits:


 * There isn't actually a consensus on the issue, so until there is you must not add the BJCP link to existing articles and it must also not be removed from existing articles until an agreement is reached. Looking over the article history the BJCP has never been included on this article as an external link so until an agreement is reached it must not be added.  I reverted this article under the assumption that Mikebe was vandalising articles again, but in this instance he is correct to remove the link from the Pale ale article. Betty Logan (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Copying & pasting BJCP style guidelines is a copyright violation. See . --Killing Vector (talk) 21:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Taste
There is hardly any mention of taste in the entire article. Having never tasted anything but pilsner-like drek, can't anyone put some sort of taste description in some of these different versions of beer? 'bitter' isn't good enough. 83.86.69.148 (talk) 04:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

IPA
The article states: 'England has Bitter, Scotland Heavy and IPA, America has American pale ale ...' Since when has IPA been a (solely) Scottish brew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.93.220.49 (talk) 04:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know, and the sentence doesn't make any sense...should be cut. --Killing Vector (talk) 11:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The article also cites a History Channel special (but provides no actual references), saying that IPA got its name from ales that went bad and turned pale on the long journey to India. This is obviously erroneous. Everyone seems to agree that IPA was developed specifically for the journey to India - the only other popular beer known to survive the journey was Porter, a brew of similar ABV. Not that it was "invented," per se, but rather developed with already current brewing knowledge and given the name India Pale Ale as the need arose for a highly-hopped beverage. At any rate the History Channel bit should either be referenced or be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.17.32 (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

non Pale Ales
This article currently contains several styles which are not Pale Ales. Altbier has almost nothing in common with Pale Ale other than the color. It's brewed from different ingredients, using different techniques and has a history totally unconnected with British style Ales. The same is true of Saison. The Scotch Ales referred to are strong dark beers, by no stretch of the imagination Pale Ales. Does any recognised authority classify Alt and Saison as Pale Ales? I don't think so. The article is ridiculous, lumping together unconnected styles that just happen to be approximately the same color. In addition, these styles already have their own articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.115.38.107 (talk) 13:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that some of the styles have no place in this article. I would support removing Saison and Altbier. Not so sure about Scotch Ales. 83.161.192.227 (talk) 07:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * If no-one objects within the next couple of days I'm going to go ahead and remove the Altbier, Saison and Scotch Ale sections. 65.115.38.107 (talk) 12:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

English style
I wanted to point out that, given the recent edits changing spelling styles, that because this is an English-style-neutral article, and because the first version was written in British English, the proper style is British English. Please refrain from changing to American style unnecessarily. Shadowjams (talk) 08:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

that's not what a pale ale is where I come from... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.213.221 (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2010 (UTC)