Talk:Palestine 194

Observer state vote
After the vote goes ahead tomorrow, I would suggest scrapping the column "UN membership position" and replacing it with the vote results for the upgrade. That way, we can let the details column do the talking when it comes to each state's position on membership. Keep in mind that the campaign for actual membership is still ongoing, and this is just one step. The article should still describe the overall campaign to gain membership.  Night w   10:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I was actually planning on doing exactly that. TDL (talk) 18:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Map of votes and recognition


The map aggregates in a way the three tallies we have - diplomatic recognition, vote in 2011, vote in 2012. Colors are according to combination of two parameters: "Recognition/No recognition" and "vote". For "vote" the UNGA/2012 vote position is taken when different from the UNESCO/2011 vote position (as more recent). If a state had not voted in 2012 (absent or not a member), then the 2011 vote position is utilized. If the state had not voted in 2011 either (absent, not a member, intelligible to vote) it's colored only according to recognition/no recognition.
 * Dark green is for recognition + yes vote: most of the recognizers
 * Light green is for recognition + abstain vote: Paraguay, Malawi, DR Congo, Papua New Guinea, Liberia, Togo, Rwanda, Bosnia, Mongolia, Ukraine, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Montenegro, Slovakia, Hungary, Vanuatu
 * Dark blue is for no-recognition + yes vote: Mexico, Jamaica, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Trinidad and Tobago, South Sudan, Eritrea, Myanmar, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, New Zealand, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy, Greece, Austria, Armenia, Japan
 * Light blue is for no-recognition + abstain vote: Guatemala, Slovenia, Haiti, Bahamas, Barbados, Kiribati, Fiji, Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, Croatia, Monaco, Andorra, San Marino, Netherlands, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, UK, Germany, Moldova, Macedonia, South Korea, Singapore, Cameroon, Colombia, Australia
 * Orange is for recognition + against vote: Czech Republic
 * Red is for no-recognition + against vote: Israel, USA, Palau, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Panama, Canada, Nauru
 * Gray (the remaining) is for no-recognition + not voted: Niue and all who aren't members of UN or UNESCO (Holy See, SMOM, EU, states with limited recognition)

Disclaimer: neither recognition or lack of recognition, nor past votes on the same or different questions forces the states to vote in the same way in the future votes in UNSC, UNGA and other organizations. Japinderum (talk) 10:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It is nice and it is accurate, but the doubling of status makes it hard to get one's head round! It didn't help that there were two sessions, one in 2011 and the other in 2012. The Big Hoof! (talk) 18:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Struck out sock. bobrayner (talk) 05:18, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

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Solecism
"UN members are entitled whether to vote for or against the Palestinian statehood recognition at the UN"

Of course, Ban Ki Moon is not a native speaker of English but the intrusioon of 'whether' here is a grating solecism. I don't doubt the source transcribed his words literally, but if another exists that paraphrases it in a way consonant with English usage, that would be better.Nishidani (talk) 06:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)