Talk:Palestinians

Property Losses Estimate
The last sentence of the header reads: "According to Perry Anderson, it is estimated that half of the population in the Palestinian territories are refugees and that they have collectively suffered approximately US$300 billion in property losses due to Israeli confiscations, at 2008–09 prices."

However, the *total* national wealth of neighbouring Jordan (population >10M, greater than 2x the current population of the Gaza Strip + the West Bank) is $146 billion, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_wealth. Even if property in Israel is substantially more valuable per square foot (possible), Israel's total national wealth is only $1,046 billion or $1.05 trillion (same source), and Israel is an unusually stable/rich/technologically innovative country by Middle Eastern standards so the land in an independent Palestine has no guarantee to be as valuable as land in the state of Israel.

I submit that this sentence should be removed as not credible, or at least have some sort of qualification added to it providing context (such as the total wealth of neighbouring Jordan).

Indigineity
This revert is based on sources and both reverters have provided none for their view, instead accusing editors relying on sources of POV pushing. Selfstudier (talk) 08:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I would have also expected they contribute to this discussion by demonstrating which RS disagree. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Consensus is built on WP guidelines and involves participating in the talk page discussion, not just refusal to accept some material. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * can you provide several references, including the exact text of the reference, that say Palestinians are indigenous. (I know they are already in the article, provide them below as well so we can compare them with any sources that say otherwise). VR (Please ping on reply) 15:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Afaics, based on the latest revert by, this is currently all about the difference between "native to" and "descending from". I do not understand the fuss over "native to", are there sources saying they are not? How can they be descended from but not native to?
 * In fact based on the sourcing below, there is a good case for just describing them as indigeneous. Selfstudier (talk) 09:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * same question as above. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"an ethnonational group native to Palestine, who today are culturally and linguistically Arab"
This is a problematic language for it suggests that there was a "Palestinian ethnonational group" in the past that was not "culturally and linguistically Arab", a claim that has absolutely no proof, and is most likely incorrect. I suggest therefore to change this sentence to "a culturally and linguistically Arab ethnonational group native to Palestine". Vegan416 (talk) 19:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For that matter, what is the difference between an "Arab group" and a "culturally and linguistically Arab group"? Maybe it should just say "Arab ethnonational group native to Palestine"? Levivich (talk) 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't have an objection. I just tried to make the minimal change to the existing version. Vegan416 (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ I didn't link "Arab" to avoid WP:SEAOFBLUE. Levivich (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Demographics error
The chart in the demographics section shows the population in the "Americas" as 255,000. Right above it shows the population in Chili = 500,000 so clearly the 255,000 number for the Americas is incorrect. (at least I think Chili is part of the Americas) If the numbers in the chart at the very beginning of the article are used, adding the numbers for all countries in the "Americas" gives a population of at least 1,000,000 - using the lower of the Honduras range. The beginning of article chart shows the United States population to be 255,000 so maybe that is what is meant? I don't have the time to do all the research to figure out the "correct" number but for the short term, the line in error should be changed to "United States 255,000" (to match the other chart) or "Americas 1,000,000 minimum" Kenyoni (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)