Talk:Pall Mall (cigarette)

Pronounciation
This may be completely useless, but some of my friends say they smoke Pall Mall because it is pronounced like the French phrase "pas mal." Pas mal meaning "not bad." Is this a new trend that is worth mentioning. Maybe this page could use a little information about the demographic smoking this brand. I'll look around but this is probably available. Karisuestokes 19:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I once purchased a pack of Pall Mall and was asked by a co-worker sometime later to bum one from me. She saw the package design and said, what are you an old man? My grandfather smoked Pall Malls. I was like, do you want a cigarrette or not?

Filtered
Comment by 4.26.47.251 placed on the actual page -- Not entirely sure of the date, but I am pretty sure that Pall Mall introduced a filtered cigarette sometime between 1970 and 1975. I know it was before 2001, because I smoked them at least once, and I quit in 2000.


 * As far as my research goes, Pall Malls didn't have at least a regularly produced filtered cigarette until 2001 when they introduced not only the filters, but lights and menthol cigarettes. If you have research to prove me wrong, please change the page, don't add comments to it.  --The Grza  00:54, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)


 * Just some OR: My father was a Pall Mall smoker (pronounced it "Pell Mell") and I clearly recall him smoking them filtered (in the gold package, so they'd have been filtered 100's) in the late 70s and early '80s. TCC (talk) (contribs) 04:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

WHY did they pronounce it "Pell Mell"? Carlo 01:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

The brand is pronounced the same as the London street it's named after. Once TV cigarette ads were banned and you didn't hear it any more most people started pronouncing it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTMcDaniel (talk • contribs) 08:34, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Iv got some Pall Mall rolling tobacco, why isnt there any stuff about tobacco and just about their cigaretes? --Snowy Mcintosh 00:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Removal of "Cigarette brands" category
I have removed Category:Cigarette brands from this article because Category:R.J. Reynolds brands is a sub-category of the former. It defeats the purpose of having this subcategory if we're going to list the articles in both. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the date of Pall Mall filters' introduction to 1987, based on my having been the media planner at the ad agency planning the newspaper ads at that time. The "pell mell"-like pronunciation comes from the 17th c pre-croquet mallet & ball game, and is also a famous posh street in London. dr elys jimenez 07:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction
The article states than in 1994, when Pall Mall was purchased by Brown and Williamson, it was one of the few brands to remain unfiltered. Then it states that in 1987, filtered Pall Malls were introduced. Which is correct? I seem to recall ads dating to the late 80s for filtered Pall Malls. I will keep looking for proof. Hopefully others can help too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.50.101.58 (talk) 02:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

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Pronunciation
I remember advertisements in cinemas in South Africa in the 1970s in which an announcer said something like "It doesn't matter whether you say Pal Mal or Paul Maul". —AlanBarrett (talk) 20:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * They were right - cause you say ‘Pell Mell’. (g).


 * ‘Paul Maul’ is an old-fashioned upper way of saying it. If you are not obviously it, you would be considered a poser for using that pronunciation.


 * As has been said, since cig ads disappeared the ‘pell mell’ way has been dropped in the US and Canada. Now, people see ‘mall’, and pronounce it as they would say ‘shopping mall’. Some places, this is ‘maul’, so many use an old-fashioned Regency fop way of saying it, and don’t even know it . 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:FD29:62C5:4F9F:2FEE (talk) 09:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The article has all three variants in the opening sentence. I'll have you know these fags were very popular with Regency fops. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:07, 2 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I can add: the magazine of the Royal Automobile Club, whose clubhouse is located on Pall Mall, is named “Pell Mell”. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:C34:5306:23A9:639C (talk) 15:33, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Box Design
Not sure if this matters, but i think it does. I had a pack of Pall Mall brand cigarettes a while back and the box shape was weird. It's front corners were flat. I found this intriguing, upon further investigation i discovered some sort of slogan, i said something along the lines of, The only corners we cut are on the box. I thought this was cute and continued my day. But today i picked up a pack and it didn't have the cut corners or the slogan. I am not sure but it might have something to do with the fact that the pack with the cut corners was a king pack not hundereds which is what i have today. I just thought that deserved some research.--76.181.139.225 (talk) 06:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Lead image
The image is described as "own work" at the upload page. But is that a real photograph? Is that a real pack of 20? It looks a bit odd to me and seems to be so slim that it could more likely be a photo-shopped stylized promotional image of an imaginary object, with a single cigarette magically propped up alongside it. I have asked a question of the uploader at User talk:St.HocusPocus. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Image
The best known image of Pall Mall cigarettes ( to me, anyway) is the ‘red pack’. This is red, has the logo ‘PALL MALL famous cigarettes’, a fake coat of arms with crowned lions and random slogans (replacing an earlier use of the actual British royal arms, shown in the article - some objections made, no doubt), and the motto, ‘wherever particular people congregate’. I think the article should use this as its lead image, as the most recognisable picture of the brand. https://www.bassettsmarket.com/shop/grocery/household/tobacco/cigarettes/pall_mall_cigarettes/p/2554935

For example, the original Wacky Packages in 1967 had a parody sticker of the brand based on the red pack, with the slogan ‘wherever peculiar people congregate’. This could also be an addition to the article, if properly sourced. Also, about a third of this run was pulled due to complaints by manufacturers - was Pall Mall one of these? It is all part of the history of the subject. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:FD29:62C5:4F9F:2FEE (talk)


 * The current Commons alternatives are at this page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Here is the Wacky Pack, and the original. Advice how to put them in commons, please? lostwackys.com Note they are called ‘Paul Maul’ - see discussion above. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:C34:5306:23A9:639C (talk) 15:43, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I saw “Paul Maul peculiar cigarettes” in the 1973 wacky packs, so I guess it was not one of the pulled ones. But more research needed, as nothing can be put in the article without proper sourcing. 5.148.149.200 (talk) 13:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Nickname
These had a reputation for being strong. Since they were also long and unfiltered, they were nicknamed ‘death sticks’ on the West Coast ( maybe elsewhere ). If this can be verified, it would be an interesting addition to the article. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:C34:5306:23A9:639C (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Sponsorships
I just watched an old "What's my line" video segments, like this on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RS0DWRvBxg

From 1965. And Pall Mall was advertised. I never heard the name before I think (I am a non-smoker so I have no real clue about cigarettes). What I found interesting was the commercial itself - I do not recall pro-smoking ads in the last decade or so here in central europe, so it was interesting to see how people decades ago listened to ads. It could be integrated into the main article too. 2A02:8388:1641:4980:0:0:0:D (talk) 08:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

"adopted"
IP 38.49.72.17 asks for an explanation here, saying "What does "adopted" before the third pronunciation mean?" That word was added by an anon IP here in 2017. It's not mentioned in the "Pronunciation" section, so I'm not sure if its origin. Any suggestions? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

It was pretty clearly  back here ("When the big fish is hooked.... on carcinogenic Pall Mall ciggies..."). But these days ("Smoke some right now, and go strangle someone!!"), we seem to have moved to. So not sure when this American "adoption" occurred. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Menthol
Already restricted or banned in parts of the USA. The article should reflect this, and attempts to counter with menthol substitutes. 50.175.210.238 (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)