Talk:Palm Springs, California

Pictures
No pictures!? Surely someone must have been at Palm Springs and taken photos of it. Ever since I read Generation X I've been wanting to see what it looks like.

abelson 13:59, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * I have a few waiting to be uploaded. It looks like a standard California all-suburb-no-urb city, hard to get a distinctive image for it. Stan 16:43, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ah, why didn't you say so? I work in Palm Springs. Downtown is quite unique as is the rather commanding view of Mount San Jacinto. Drop me a line with photo requests. - Lucky 6.9 7 July 2005 06:21 (UTC)

Check this
''The original inhabitants of Palm Springs were the Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians. The Indians named the area "la palma de la mano de Dios", which means the palm of God's Hand.''

This looks like Spanish. According to the Cahuilla article, there are only a few Cahuillan speakers so I'm pretty sure they have their own language. Can some check this Kimun 05:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Right you are. I've rewritten the Founding section to be a bit more historically accurate. Details on the Agua Caliente band came from their casino weboage, http://www.aguacaliente.org/index.php?PID=CULTURAL.

The page you reference above was composed by ACBCI, who are a business entity. (The cultural arm of the tribe is the Agua Caliente Cultural Museum, who are the best source for accurate historical data.) As a result, the ACBCI page unfortunately contains a lot of inaccurate data. I have updated the Early History and Mid-Century sections with footnotes to substantiate all the data presented.

Dead link
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maru  (talk)  contribs 05:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Local Slang
Some comments and suggestions for the author of the section on Local Slang:

Desert rat. I wonder about both the meaning and the etymology given for the term "desert rat." It seems to me the term means simply a person who lives in the desert (in this case Palm Springs) and that it's more likely to have derived from the local kangaroo rat than from the 1960s Rat Pack .  It seems neither derogatory nor flattering.  I'd also question that it's used by more than one or two people, if that, to describe a badly dressed, overweight, unwashed man.  Given the scarcity of sustenance in the desert, it seems unlikely that being overweight would be one of the desert rat's salient characteristics.    --Rensselaerswick1637 16:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Response from author. Agreed this term is quite often used in a neutral sense, but just as often it is used in a negative light, locally at least. But agreed the fat-man example can be stripped out of the definition. It was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. But regarding "lack of sustenance" in the desert... are you kidding me? This is a metropolitan area, not Death Valley. --Kimchifan 00:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right; I expressed myself badly in the "sustenance" comment. What I meant was that the kangaroo rat or desert rat -- the animal, not the person -- wouldn't be likely to be overweight since there's little to eat in the desert. I still think it's the animal rather than the Rat Pack that's the more likely source of the term used for people who live in the desert. Also, if "desert rat" means a full-time resident of the desert, as the Wikipedia entry says, then who is it who's using it negatively? Visitors to describe the locals? Or locals to (negatively) describe themselves? --Rensselaerswick1637 16:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

No, locals use it negatively to describe other locals. There is a certain type of local here which is largely ambivalent about Palm Springs culture. They want nothing to do with mid-century fun-in-the-sun. They were simply born here, are sun tanned beyond recognition, and spend their days where they can get feee air conditioning.

I'm not convinced about the "real" rat connection to the term. I've always had it explained to me in "rat pack" terms. But I don't find any print sources backing up this assertion, outside of materials which deal with the Rat Pack's activities in Palm Springs. --Kimchifan 18:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Snowbird. Is there really anything particularly Palm Springs-local about the term "snowbird"? Isn't it used all over North America to refer to people who go south for the winter? While some full-time residents may dislike snowbirds or speak pejoratively of them, the term itself seems neutral, and the sentence about how it can be used, whether neutrally or negatively, seems unnecessary. --Rensselaerswick1637 16:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Response from author. True enough. This can be stripped out. --Kimchifan 00:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Scalping. While scalping certainly throws dust into the air temporarily, and probably aggravates some people's allergies, and may be disliked by some residents (mainly those who don't have lawns or don't play golf?), it seems a stretch to call it "controversial." --Rensselaerswick1637 16:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Response from author. It seems me you may not be a local. This is a big issue and the letters-to-the-editor on this subject are countless. It is not a strech by any means, nor is dust pollution or blow-sand. --Kimchifan 00:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. --Rensselaerswick1637 16:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

--Rensselaerswick1637 17:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Points of Interest
''The Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians has added an exciting vibrancy to downtown with the luxurious Spa Resort Hotel and Casino, offering gambling opportunities, restaurants, and spa facilities. The spa facilities draw their thermal waters from the original hot springs which gave rise the names "Palm Springs" and "Agua Caliente."''

This mention of a commercial enterprise (a hotel and gambling casino) in a list of museums and points of interest seems inappropriate. With its link to the casino's web site and its mention of "exciting vibrancy," "gambling opportunities," and the "luxurious" hotel, this seems more an advertisement than an encyclopedia-worthy fact. Why shouldn't the town's other hotels -- as well as its fast-food restaurants, gas stations, and grocery stores -- list their exciting sleeping, eating, fueling, and shopping opportunities here too?

--Rensselaerswick1637 18:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Would "Grande Luxe" be okay? (kidding.) starkt 10:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Although I did not write this myself, it is not so cut and dry as you describe. ACBCI is particularly significant locally because they are the aboriginal inhabitants of the region. The Palm Springs Spa was also the towns first large-scale commercial enterprise; likewise the casino is a major feature of the downtown area. When you are a small town, it is arguably less relevant to draw such a clear line between commercial and non-commercial features.

The hot springs are likewise historically important to the town as they were the original draw for health-seekers and tourists. They also gave the town its name.

I do agree however that the use of "luxurious" is not appropriate here, and the first line should be reconstructed to sound less commercial.

--Kimchifan 00:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

More talk on Sources

 * you know more than me on wikipedia rules. I thank you for your time to check for mistakes, the kind of edits don't belong on wikipedia. I want to keep articles clean. yeah, the spa hotel resort entry is more an ad sponsored by them. or someone went on for too long i turn my head away from the screen. I think the article needs to disable any edits to prevent unwanted entrys again. I like any one to add new facts of interest, if its relevant, discuss the subject and dont go on half a page. I'm made my move to remove edits & entries that don't make sense or left by an anon vandal. the spa hotel is described a place on books not on travel. we can't have ads in here if wikipedia aren't paid to post ads. I don't want my children's study guides to show ads, they come to learn not buy things they don't need. - ernesto

kim, read the edit then have a talk: << ! e mid-century situation with the city's large black, Latino and Jewish communities was reportedly tense and the community appeared segregated or allowed discrimination. Palm Springs in that time wasn't viewed as a tolerant community we came to know today. | >>

I'm unsure it fits the critera or standards, but kim you didn't need to delete. but good thing mike will not do that no more. you kept out mike out of the article huh? he won't bother it again. palm springs was much like every place in america in the time before the civil rights era. my own parents who are mexicans/Latinos never been thrown out of public places. but in palm springs they came across anglos who laugh or call names or ask where they from. you may heard the local news on Palm springs city council voted to become a 'hate free' community. beleeve me it won't work to stop hate. i understand the blacks, gays or lesbians, jewish people, etc. support the idea, but press people never interviewed Latinos or others in the community on they like or dislike the idea. i should watch more spanish tv news, hee hee, but i get my news in a language i been exposed to- english. i find it ironic there was a time in palm springs area any Mexican person spoke spanish, they were scolded or threatened for sounding 'un american.' today its a 'hate crime' to tell Latinos to speak english, but i've seen more immigrants never learn to use english and this worries me on how they can make it in America, where English is a must learn. - ernesto

This does not add anything to the article and does not cite references. This article isn't about adding personal opinions: it's about citing reputable published resources. --Kimchifan 09:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Kim...I apologize for these edits are useless to you (not my personal opinions, because you don't add those "what I think is" in articles.) It's not a news blog, not "a toy" or what other admins said. I respect the Palm Springs page is yours and won't allow RV or POV on my pages, unless they can prove it or I'm able to track down the source myself. I hope to clear the issue and I adhere to your messages on my talk page, so I don't edit your page again. + Mike D 26 10:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Palm Springs Power ball team
I tell you what, Kim. The P.S. Power are a member of the collegiate Pacific Southwest Baseball League, not the class A California League. Here's what I found-
 * Palm Springs is home to the Palm Springs Power (no separate article exists...but the Power are found in the PSBL article), a "California league" baseball team composed of college all stars (definitely true). The Palm Springs Stadium, was once the spring training site of the California Angels (now Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim) American League baseball team from 1961 to 1992 (not 1993, after the Angels already got a new spring training facility.)

Constructive criticism is what we have to do in Wikipedia, no matter how one don't like to be called "wrong" or "inaccurate". I found the California Collegiate League article, except much of it is not referenced enough and the CCL's official web page wasn't updated in over a year.+ Mike D 26 10:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

just venting
I don't care if anyone deletes this, but I just had the editor of PS Life come into the hotel I work at...drunk...he was being a real prick to boot. Acted like I was supposed to read his mind or something. Oi.

I'd like to second this person. i live in palm springs, and let me tell you, boring. as. hell. you grow out of village vest by the time you're a freshman in highschool. yeah. boring. no samash.

I can't believe there isn't a single word written about the thriving gay community in Palm Springs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.232.98 (talk) 05:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violations
In response to an OTRS complaint, I have removed a deeply engrained copyright violation from this article. Unfortunately that has resulted in the removal of derivative contributions over the last six months. Users working on this article please be careful not to use copyrighted sources for text.--Docg 21:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Surrounding municipalities
This article sorely needs a "Surrounding municipalities" section with Geographic Location (8-way) filled in by someone who knows the area well. See San Bernardino, California for example usage. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 22:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I can help out if you want? House1090 (talk) 04:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Notable people
I just deleted a bit about Todd Clever (rugby player) being a native of Palm Springs, because there is no section devoted to notable natives, and Clever's presence was undue emphasis on him.

Is there any interest in creating a section listing notable natives? I would caution against listing notable non-native residents, as there would be far too many. Or make a new list article to hold them all. Binksternet (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I think a new list article with both natives and residents would be most appropriate because, as Binksternet noted, it would be rather lengthy with notable people that lived there (at least as one of their homes and during the winter). Alanraywiki (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

POV tag -- gay demographic
To deliberately remove all mentioning of the word gay from this article, especially given Palm Springs LGBT Demographic (and yes, its a measured, charted, and researched demographic). Is to deliberately exclude the notability of Palm Springs, culture, population, and friendliness to LGBT Citizens. To white wash it shows deliberate bigotry, because you want to "hide" this relevant fact, or don't think LGBT citizens or presence is a respectable act of culture. Whomever has removed (and whomever has allowed someone to remove) all mentions from this article, has no business editing this article. 69.104.169.217 (talk) 03:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC) Anon

And here, I found some useful statistics that put Palm Springs at #3 in "Most Likely Gay Households" (Unmaried same sex pairings living together). http://www.city-data.com/top2/c11.html Even better datawill be out once the 2010 Census is fully processed, as they started recording it explicitly for the first time. Not to mention the incredibly large number of explicitly gay oriented restaurants, hotels, etc. Or Frequent news media references of the area being "Gay Mecca". Or how for a certain period of time, every year, the population more than doubles, and its mostly gays (and Armenians around Memorial Day). Or having had one of the few openly gay mayors, or how Palm Springs has an annual gay pride parade.

Excluding this notable aspect of Palm Springs (and the wider Coachella valley as well, but that's another article), constitutes a non-neutral POV. 69.104.169.217 (talk) 04:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Also a final note: Explicit mention of Palm Springs LGBT community, and its notability, used to be in this article, and was removed over successive edits. 69.104.169.217 (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Nothing in the present article gives explicit mention of LGBT, so even if residents of the city itself have such a bent, the article does not. I have removed the POV tag because such tags pertain to how an article is written, not the subject matter. --S. Rich (talk) 05:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Whitewashing constitutes a non-neutral POV. It would be the same if someone cleared any mention of anyone other than white men from a page on the United States, and did not include a demographic section at all. Or failing to mention there's gays is west hollywood, or on the Castro street in SF. This information was in the article the last time I looked at it. Palm Springs is one of the top 10 gay travel destinations in the U.S. It's a significant feature, and this article used to mention the openly gay mayor. Removing this information (it used to be in this article) is editing from a non-neutral POV, it's called whitewashing. Adding it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.104.169.217 (talk) 06:08, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh. I see. You don't like the fact that there is no mention of LGBT in the article.  (Contrast, The Castro, San Francisco.)  Have at it, with WP:RS of course!  And here is another link for you: List of gay villages.  Happy editing. --S. Rich (talk) 06:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Airport designer
Donald Wexler designed the Palm Springs Airport not Albert Frey

reflected in the work of Albert Frey (who designed the Palm Springs city hall, aerial-tram (cable car) station, Movie Colony Hotel and airport), Donald Wexler, Richard Neutra, E. Stewart Williams, John Lautner, and others.[30] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.196.146.66 (talk) 00:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

List of people from Palm Springs, California article
The Palm Springs Walk of Stars has 342 names. (Of course not all are wikilinked in that article.) The Palm Springs notable people section has been expanded to over 260 names. With some 700 potential names available, I've set up a User:Srich32977/List of people from Palm Springs, California new article. Editors are encouraged to take a look and provide suggestions, edits, improvements, etc. so I can submit it. At that point we can put in a see main template. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 06:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This page's "notable people" section really needs to be broken out into a separate article. Not sure if you've seen the relevant guideline, but there's the link. Killiondude (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That is exactly what I am doing. Are you able to access the sandbox article I've set up? --S. Rich (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, hello. Killiondude (talk) 07:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * New article has been submitted. Once it is enlivened, I'll clean up the remainder of the Notable people section here.--S. Rich (talk) 15:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * At some point all the names need to be checked to make sure there are sources for each one. Just looking at the articles of a handful of the people listed here shows that many do not have sources for the Palm Springs connection either here or on the subject's article. 72Dino (talk) 16:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I quite agree. My objective was to spruce up the PS article, but I ended up with this huge list. So to trim the spruce, I set up the List article. An example of an individual article that mentions PS is Robert T. Smith. The specific reference for his PS connection is not cited in his article, but is actually available from footnote 1 -- the Flying Tigers Association webpage for Smith. With 260+ names now on the list perhaps it will stimulate editors to take a look at those articles needing such clean up. For now I'm happy to improve the PS article.--S. Rich (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Splitting of popular culture section
There are various "List of novels set in Xxxx" articles, but the very title limits the scope of a split article. As the listing contains short story, poetry, and a creative non-fiction book, titling the split article "List of novels..." doesn't seem appropriate. Also, there is the music section -- another aspect of popular culture. At the same time, my quick search has not found "... in popular culture" articles. So, aside from being involved in other editing efforts, I haven't figured out how to name the article. Since Palm Springs -- as a Hollywood resort, etc. -- has a fairly unique history and serves as a setting for so much popular culture, I am convinced that this section of the article (and new article) has overall worthiness. Your thoughts (and help) are appreciated. --S. Rich (talk) 00:20, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It would be better to remove all entries for non-notable (as in, no article) authors and musicians and to remove the ISBN numbers from what remains. The list as it stands right now is in violation of WP:NOT. Speciate (talk) 00:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

What you say is interesting -- but consider Willowtip Records discography or List of Puerto Rican boxing world champions or List of Gaylactic Spectrum Award winners and nominees for best short fiction. These are examples of WP:Featured lists with lots of "non-notable" entries. This is especially true of Willowtip, which relies on 3 external links as its' general reference. How do these articles reconcile with NOTDIR? --S. Rich (talk) 01:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

And upon further reflection, I think WP:SAL is the appropriate guidance. After all, it has allowed List of voice actors in the Grand Theft Auto and List of vegetable oils to reach Featured status. (Both of which have various non-notable entries.) With this in mind, how do we split out the list (with an appropriate title) and thereby reduce the PS article by 18k bytes?--S. Rich (talk) 02:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, after doing a more thorough search, I see we have, Los Angeles in popular culture, and Lemuria in popular culture. (All worthy, to be sure.) I think I'll split off the section into its own "in popular culture" article. Hmmmm? To be Palm Springs, California, in popular culture or Palm Springs in popular culture ... that is the question.--S. Rich (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

So it looks like this was indeed split into its own article 9 years ago, but then the article has since been deleted, and now there's an entire section of this Wikipedia page that contains nothing but a dead link. It seems like maybe either the section or the page should have text again, or the section should be deleted entirely. But just as a single data point, I came to Wikipedia today specifically for that section. 66.74.69.222 (talk) 02:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

High crime rate
The Desert Sun newspaper (Sep 28, 2016) stated Palm Springs has the highest crime rate in the Coachella Valley and Riverside County, and among the most crime-ridden 10 cities in CA and top 50 in the nation. Nearby Cathedral City and Desert Hot Springs 10 miles away are in the infamous list. Surprisingly, Indio and Coachella, the valley's oldest, largest (by population), poorest and most Hispanic/Latino populations, are third and fourth lowest respectively. The north end (along Vista Chino Dr), central (surrounding the PS Mall on Tahquitz and Farrell Drives) and east end (along Gene Autry Trail) are known for high crime activity, and the Warm Sands area along Ramon from Indian Canyon Dr to Sunrise Way isn't quite a safe place. The area's lowest crime rates are Indian Wells (pop 4,100) and Rancho Mirage (pop 15,200) mostly consist of gated, upper-income, seasonal and retirement communities and golf courses. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Obama's Move to Palm Springs, California
On Tuesday, 17 January 2017, the President's Press Secretary, Josh Earnest, announced that outgoing President Barack H. Obama and his family will be moving this coming Friday, 20 January 2017, to Palm Springs, California, immediately following the President-elect's inauguration. Apparently, the Obama family has bought a new house and property in Palm Springs, CA. and have decided to make California their home. I think that it would be good to mention this in the current article.Davidbena (talk) 22:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * If and when he moves here, he can be included in the List of people from Palm Springs, California article like Eisenhower and Ford. Otherwise, it's not notable. Bahooka (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Agreed.Davidbena (talk) 01:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I thought the Obamas (Barack and Michelle) bought a home in the Thunderbird cove of Rancho Mirage, California not far from Palm Springs. 12.218.47.123 (talk) 15:35, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Nominate for GA

 * As a quick comment, you should make sure any and all maintenance tags are taken care of before the article is reviewed. That is, there is currently a section with a large maintenance tag present. Killiondude (talk) 05:54, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

First cities in US to lockdown in Covid-19 pandemic
Since March 16th, Palm Springs was one of the first US municipalities to have a lockdown to contain the spread of Covid-19 and they continue to hold a lockdown on some businesses, although CA locked down on March 19th and reopened certain businesses on May 8th. For a month (Apr 7-May 11), the county required face coverings and masks in public, but Palm Springs will continue this until June 19th. And the county also ranked second in CA with the most Covid-19 positive cases, but it has more to do with how much testing was performed compared to neighboring more populous counties. Palm Springs and the county has large numbers of seniors, people with respiratory illness (including children) and HIV/AIDS cases which is found widely in Palm Springs' gay male community, it may be a reason for a heavy demand for testing of high-risk groups in the Coachella Valley, although CA ranked lower in cases per ratio of population (40 million residents) than most US states in the Covid-19 pandemic. So far, 200 cases out of 55,000 people is a higher ratio than Indio with 165 cases out of 97,000, Palm Springs is known for higher population density due to more apartment complexes. 2605:E000:100D:C571:6DCE:ABEA:BC50:DF93 (talk) 20:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Ron Oden up for deletion
Hard to believe sources aren’t plentiful for this mayor of Palm Springs. First openly gay mayor of a California city. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Water Contamination reported for all pools at Palm Springs
Tennis Club! What’s happening??? 2603:8001:6D03:5702:74F6:D042:D831:8F7D (talk) 01:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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Section 14
The article says: "The California attorney general's office later called the displacement a 'city-engineered holocaust', depriving dozens of blacks and Latinos of generational wealth." They were living on rented land; generational wealth cannot be claimed on something you do not own. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:30, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * It is a restatement of the report as quoted in the LA Times and KESQ, both WP:RS and the claim for the lawsuit which asks for reparations. If you want to rebut this with a reliable source of your own, feel free to do so.Calwatch (talk) 09:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If the claim is from a lawsuit, then it should be deleted. Lawsuits are filled with ridiculous claims, and are unencyclopedic. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:47, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Photos from other cities?
On the right side, there is a group of four photos representing Palm Springs. Unfortunately, the upper left photo is from La Quinta Resort, about 25 miles east, in La Quinta, CA. 2600:1012:A106:B9CC:DC0B:5FD9:39CC:1DA (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)