Talk:Palm Tungsten

I've added a table showing the various key features of the different models at a glance. The information is mostly duplicated from further down in the article, but I feel this makes it easier to compare across the range than the previous page. RichardGaywood

Merged the Tungsten C onto this page and made a redirect that would redirect Tungsten C onto this page. I also had to make some adjustments to the table to denote the type of input as well as actual, useable RAM as well. I also decided that "Form-Factor" made more sense than "Slider" since we need to know what the form factor was. Collapsable denotes a handheld that has the slider feature. -- Vesther 15:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Something seems fishy in the table. The E is listed as "4.62 oz (131 g)" and the E2 is listed as "4.7 oz (130 g)". I don't know whether the oz or the g is the right weight, but you cant have fewer oz end up with more grams. FWIW, 4.62oz = 131g and 4.7oz = 133g. I'd recommend an audit of all the weights and their oz-vs-g conversions. -- @gumnos

I'm gonna go ahead and watch it
I'm gonna go ahead and keep an eye on this article, since I'm a Tungsten User and I want to make sure that all Tungsten Handhelds go into this page, rather than have a separate page, since it's a waste of disk space here in Wikipedia.

Otherwise, any Tungsten user of other models than what I have posted as far as useable memory is concerned should contribute by placing the amount of useable memory on the blanks. Thanks. -- Vesther 16:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Re-arranged the footnote to the table
So it can be read at a glance. Hope you like the edit, Vesther. -- RichardGaywood 10:28, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Some of the PalmOS versions shown may be wrong
The offical PalmOne support page showing the various PalmOS versions on all the devices disagrees with our table here; does anyone know which are right for sure? I've linked to the PalmOne page under "sources cited" on the main Tungsten Handheld page. -- RichardGaywood 10:30, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

The Vesther Challenge
I need you guys to do me a favor:

Tungsten W--Can any Wikipedian who owns a Tungsten W see how much "Useable Memory" is inside the handheld? I appreciate it.

Tungsten E2--Can any Wikipedian who owns a Tungsten E2 find out what kind of Intel X-Scale Processor it uses? Saying "Intel X-Scale" is kind of vague as I'm trying to give out full disclosures as much as I can.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. &mdash; Vesther 00:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


 * According to a review on infosyncworld.com, the Tungsten W has 15MB of usable memory. --bigjarom 06:30, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Well, the T|E2 has a PXA255 Processor, despite that Wikipedia says it has a PXA260 in the PDA. Confirmed ut with the PXA Clocker Application. Curriegrad2004 06:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Tungsten T3 changes
I've removed a paragraph that seemed speculation:
 * In the midst of the Tungsten T3's success, Palm started to have concerns about the slider and the smooth, brushed metal casing in the midst of rising labor costs. These concerns would cause friction between Palm and the power users.

Why? --Steven Fisher 00:34:22, 2005-09-11 (UTC)
 * 1) Although logical, we don't know that Palm really had concerns about the slider.
 * 2) We don't know why the metal case was changed. I've heard that it saved costs, but I've also heard at least two other good theories:
 * 3) It made the product more similiar to the Tungsten E, which is Palm's best seller.
 * 4) It may produce better radio reception.

Disputed
"Whilst a Tungsten handheld, the model signals a move in the company to replace the model names with the first letter of the model name."

The TX is not a Tungsten. Additionally, every other model has also used T-something. --Steven Fisher 18:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Some segments of the article, too casual?
"This results in real confusion as the memory is not equally useable. The desktop software doesn't know what is either; it calls the user memory "Expansion Card" while calling the other "Internal." A very uncomfortable fudge."

"The Tungsten W (known as the i710 during its development period), introduced in February 2003, is a bit of an odd duck in the Tungsten series"

Does anyone think these portions of the article need to be re-written with some formality? --Fire 19:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, "odd duck" might confuse people unfamiliar with jargon. Logictheo (talk) 12:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Both TX and TE2 are no longer being made. We need to determine the date of the last made PDA by Palm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philpalm (talk • contribs) 15:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated Tungsten T5 information
Many internet reviews of the tungsten T5 complain that the case is not made of metal. The top and bottom metallic colored panels are in fact metal. On my T5 I had an offbrand stylus stick in the unit. While using a car key to remove it (which in hindsight was not the brightes idea) I scraped the edge of the the channel that the stylus is stored in. Its very clear that this is metal and not plastic. I also clarified the section on the memory of the t5 and added a comment about the limits to the bluetooth. Further more,I altered the section that sounded very biased regarding the lack of some important features in the T5. The features listed might be important to some,but not to others. (In fact,I have not noticed the "important" features to be missing at all untill I read this article.)

palmone tungsten e2
i personally have one and i think that it is amazingly easy to use and rarely disobeys orders when instructed. i would reccomend any palmone to anyone. they are amazing... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 97abouffler (talk • contribs) 15:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

The palmone tungsten e2 now has a fix for its sd card (from Dymitry) and can now read SD cards over 1gb. I try to avoid using the power button and haven't had a problem yet after 2 years. Battery charging and battery levels can be randomly frustrating.

E2 calculator bug
How about including a simple test to see if your E2 has the calculator bug? Enter 200 + 5 %. If the display changes to 200.05 it has the bug. If nothing happens until you tap = then the display changes to 210, it doesn't have the bug.

Is there any fix for this? A 3rd party calculator? Brick to the head of whichever dumbarse screwed up such an elementary thing AND same for whomever failed to catch the bug in QA? ;)


 * Enter 200/50% Upon tapping the % key the result should be 100. I get .04


 * Also try 200+5% On my Handspring Visor the display changes to 210, on the E2 it says 2.05. (Windows calc doesn't auto-add on percents but it still gives a correct answer of 10.)


 * 200-50% gives the bizarre answer 1.5 instead of the correct 100.


 * It seems to *multiply* with the percent key just fine. 200*50% produces the correct answer of 100. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 04:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Power button problems
Hey everyone, i've read a lot on forums etc. about palm users having trouble with their palm's power button. The same for my Tungsten E. Not being able to turn it on any more, i decided to have a look under its skin... and what did I find? - Apart from a battery that's _soldered_ (!) to the main board, palm has found another way of keeping their customers from using their products too long: The power button is soldered to the board with so tiny feet that it almost must break off after some months! My conclusions are obvious:
 * Although I'm very unlikely to succeed, i'll try to solder the power button's tiny feet to the board.
 * I'll never pay that company any money any more.

I think that this information is relevant to an encyclopedia entry dealing with the said product line... --85.0.91.12 17:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I would agree there are definite problems with power/battery on both the Tungsten E and E2, but this article doesn't address them. I wonder where would be a good cite to point to. Andrewhime 16:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Jumping to conclusions . ..
I hate to write something across all three pages (T|X, Z22, and E2), but some people are jumping to the conclusion that just because Palm has rearranged their web pages to make is more difficult to find the non-phone units does not mean they are discontinued. They can still be found, and they can still be bought. I kindly ask editors be more thorough in their research before jumping to the conclusion that the units are discontinued when in fact they are not. (not yet anyways) Thanks. —CobraA1 17:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Tungsten (handheld) → Palm Tungsten — Don't see any reason to omit the "Palm" brand name here (hence avoiding disambiguation parentheses). Letdorf (talk) 13:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Support. Articles on handhelds are typically named in the format "Manufacturer Model". jgp  T  C  07:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Support avoiding parentheses would mean that there would be valid searchbox hits for the title, instead of no search hits on the current title. 76.66.194.32 (talk) 03:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:


 * I don't know the merits of the proposed new name but the current disambiguator is a little vague. This could be hand held too.  —   AjaxSmack   01:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

re-arranging the furniture a trifle...
Don't have time to make the actual changes right now, but, barring objections I haven't thought of, I propose to re-hash the "Models" section by order of release dates. This would have the net effect of creating a "T-series timeline" without the need to add a chart or graph.

Further, how can one speak (or type) of the original Tungsten T (called the T-1 since the introduction of subsequent models in the series) without addressing "Mad Digitizer Syndrome", a design flaw (though Palm is unlikely to ever admit it) which afflicted a significant percentage of Palm devices of that era? I may add a paragraph from the explanation I nearly posted to the Wiki article of that same name. (Almost had the final edit done when the article was deleted from this website - 17 Jul, 2008, according to deletionpedia.dbatley.com.... C'est la vie!) The Doctor Is On (talk) 23:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)