Talk:Palme d'Or/Archive 1

Improvement drive
A related topic, Pulp Fiction, is currently nominated on WP:IDRIVE. Vote for this article.--Fenice 06:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

The Winners List
WOuld it be a good idea to turn it around, so that the most recent winner is on top? NuclearFunk 02:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Country
Its a fair compromise I think to just list 'nationality of director', because most european films are co-productions anyway, but i would agree that flags are a little distracting —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icanseeformilesandmiles (talk • contribs) 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Why films produced by several countries are listed as only one country production?--SylwiaS | talk 18:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It's a little simplistic to call The Wind That Shakes The Barley a UK film. Perhaps it would complicate the "winners from country of origin" section of the article and that's why it's being treated as such. Let's face it, probably a quarter of these films are co-productions.


 * This is indeed a problem. Many of these films are co-productions. It's not like the Academy Award for Best Foreign Film, where each submission is officially submitted by the government of one specific country. In Cannes, films are not submitted by governments, so many cannot be described as the product of one country. So, for example, the official Cannes website correctly lists The Piano as from Australia, France and New Zealand, whereas this article simplifies to New Zealand. I think the 'country' column ought to be removed, along with the accompanying statistics, even though somebody has put a lot of work into them. Cop 633 16:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Since there were no objections I removed the country stats. Cop 633 02:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Until the entire question of exactly which country qualifier (if any) should be appended to each film, I'm changing The Wind That Shakes The Barley back to "UK" again, because it's the correct answer to the question asked by the column header: What is the director's nationality?Hannibal V Constantine (talk) 00:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I will be changing the Wind that Shakes the Barley back to Ireland unless a more coherent method of identifing movies can be found. The nationality of a director should not necessarily be a qualifier in determining a movies "national identity". It is offensive to label this movie as British. Its set in Ireland, written by an Irish man, all about Irish history, funded and producted by Irish money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scall87 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see a problem with using the director's nationality. Films don't have nationalities, people do. Fixing the nationality of a film is a peculiar exercise to begin with, somewhat like trying to determine the color of infinity, and even more incoherent than it seems. It is worth noting that the Oscar for best foreign language film goes to the film's director, not its producers (unlike the best picture award). --Ring Cinema (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The setting, writer, content, or financing of the film is irrelevant to the question at hand: what is/was the nationality of the film's director? Paris, Texas is an American film, written by Americans, set in America, and about the American experience.  It is identified here with Wim Wenders's (West) Germany.  The Third Man isn't particularly English and Dancer in the Dark isn't Danish, but Carol Reed and Lars von Trier were/are.  Ken Loach is English.  I have changed the indicator for The Wind That Shakes the Barley back to "UK".  QED. Hannibal V Constantine (talk) 17:53, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I notice that the indicator for 'The Wind That Shakes the Barley' has been changed from 'UK' to 'England'; why someone has thought this appropriate I'm not sure as in my experience unofficial Wikipedia policy has always been to use the UK over any of the 'home nations' in such matters. I've changed it back. Dalisback1 (talk) 00:56, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

spelling
Why has the country codes for each movie not been removed. I think the point that it is difficult to give certain movies "nationalities", is very relevant. While "The Wind that Shakes the Barley" maybe directed by a British person, I think given the subject matter that movie deals with and that the fact that it was considered Ireland's first Cannes win, to label it as British, is slightly incorrect and to some degree offensive. Perhaps if a uniform agreeable way of labelling each movie cannot be found, it may be best to simply remove it.
 * Should this article be named Palme d'Or or Palme d'or? The official website uses Palme d'Or in French and in English. French Wikipedia uses Palme d'or. Shawnc 04:54, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it should be Palm d'Or. It would be "Golden Palm" in English, not "golden Palm".--SylwiaS | talk 20:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Article has been renamed as Palme d'Or. Shawnc 07:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Really, it is not a 'UK' film, given that the article for the film itself describes it as an 'irish' film. (by unknown user)

Films before 1955
The English title of the movie Boefje is Wilton's_Zoo. Check the selection of 1939, whereby the prize was awarded in 2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.49.227.196 (talk) 21:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Should the films before 1955 be listed here and/or categorized under Category:Palme d'Or winners? Shawnc 06:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. I adjusted the tables to do this. Cop 633 01:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Stub articles
Many of the awarded films have only a very rudimentary stub. Please, help develop these stubs, so that Palme s'Or Awards becomes worth mentioning along with Academy, Golden Globe, BAFTA and other Awards. Hoverfish 10:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

1946
Why are seven films listed for 1946, then none until 1955? What is actually going on here? Cop 633 22:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering too. This is what I found:  Hoverfish 23:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, looks like they were simply indecisive in 1946 or changed the rules or something. Cop 633 15:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * To me it looks like they tried to catch up after WWII. They wanted to start in 1939, so this makes seven years of waiting, so maybe it's a film per year. The article also states that there was no award given in 1947, yet the site gives 5 Grand Prix to 5 film categories: . Looks like the article has to be updated. Hoverfish 16:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Right... you'd think they would have awarded a film from each year between 1939-46, rather than 7 films from 1946! But I guess that would have missed the point of a film festival for new films. It would be nice to find some 'official' explanation to confirm this. Cop 633 16:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So now I have it in more detail: Men Without Wings is a 1943 film, Torment is 1944, 6 films are 1945 and 2 are 1946. Portrait of Maria (1944) was not awarded as film, but the Director got the Gran Prix for it. So it's not 7 but 10 films plus one director here. It looks like they fixed the rules in 1949. I have no more detailed sources as for the reasons given. Hoverfish 17:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Mistake
I corrected a huge mistake in the lead of the article and inside the templates. The Golden Palm was NEVER awarded from 1964 to 1974, only the Grand Prix, due a dispute on Golden Palm's design copyrights. See official site.Parallel33 00:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Parallel33


 * Well spotted! Do you have a source for the 'design copyright' problem? It would be interesting to put in the article. Cop 633 00:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Cop! Unffortunately I don't have this source right now, so I didn't mention it in the lead, but everybody who works in film industry (Europe) knows that. I'll work hard in this source, is really interesting to put in the article. The new chronologic order you made is fine, better than mine. :-) Parallel33 00:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Parallel33

Flags
I hate to say this, because someone has put a lot of work into it, but I think putting flags next to the directors is a bad idea. It's too simplistic, and doesn't always reflect their actual nationality or the nationality of the film. As an example, putting a German flag next to William Wyler because he was born in Germany (a) makes Friendly Persuasion look like a German film when it isn't, and (b) obscures the fact that he was an American citizen working in Hollywood. Similarly, putting a Greek flag next to Costa-Gavras is fair enough in that he was Greek, but obscures the fact that Missing is an American film about Chile. I'm sure we can find a comprise but please read WP:FLAGS for some important points to consider. Cop 663 14:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry about that mistakes. I tried to use the most appropriate flag in each case (for example using USSR or czechoslovakia flags) but I screwed up in those, probably some other, but i'm sure with everybody's help we can decide which is the best fitting flag in each case. I put the flags because, as I stated in the edit, I think it is interesting the remark the internationality of the Festival. It's not like the Oscars or the Golden Globes were 95% is American, sometimes British. I don't know, consider the flag proposition; and if you really feel that the article is better without them, I'll undo the edits. In the other hand, if we leave them, feel free to change those you think are wrong.--Wafry 23:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also one more thing. It seems as in Cannes they reward the director for the film, not the producers, so that is why I used the nationality of the director (and put it right to his or her name) for the flag. But, as you state above, sometimes can be misleading.--Wafry 23:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I do understand what you were doing and I agree that it's interesting to show the international nature of the festival. But flags are like using a sledgehammer: they are very simplistic, and reduce complex situations to blunt statements. E.g. I'm sure William Wyler's German upbringing was important to him, but he is better described as a German-American than either German or American. And there's no flag for German-Americans.

Another problem with flags is that because they are eye-catching, readers may assume they refer to the film, not the director. A third problem is recognizability: some of the flags are not well known, e.g. Bosnia's flag, so it's actually a nuisance for the reader unless you include the country name.

Anyway, my basic point is: words are better than flags. We could try using words, and see how they look, e.g. adding "(Greek)" or "(French)" after director's names instead of flags. For Wyler we could add "(German-American)". This would (a) be more accurate and (b) the words would appear after the director's names so they wouldn't be mistakenly applied to the film. However I admit it would also be less pretty. :(

This is just my opinion: let me know what you think. Cop 663 00:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Frankly, if I have to choose between nothing and just the country names, I prefer nothing. Writing the nationality by the directors' name will clutter the table too much (unless we remove the original names of the films in brackets, which take much space). I wanted something flashy that gave the idea to the reader with just one glance that this is like a multicultural film reunion where any nation or country can enter the contest. However, I realise that this is an encyclopedia, not a show, so if it's going to be problematic, I will not have a problem with removing them. In any case, if you don't mind, let's leave it as it is now and wait a few days and see if someone pops in and gives his opinion. If no one else speaks, we will remove them. BTW, when i was writing this I rembered that in other wikipedias they do have flags, although they write the names of the country at the side: es:Palma de Oro fr:Palme d'or --Wafry 01:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Definitely let's leave it a while. By the way, another alternative is to have the flag come after the director's name, with the country name also, thus solving at least two problems. See here for an example. It does clutter things a bit, but I would be happy to delete the original titles of the films, which are a bit unnecessary. And if you are listing nationalities, flags can be useful navigational tools, I admit. Doesn't quite solve the William Wyler problem but it's a thought. Cop 663 01:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, seems like nobody has anything to say. I'd say your proposition of listing the director nationality is ok, and those flags which can be controversial, let's discuss them. I'll start tomorrow changing the template.--Wafry 21:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I already changed it. I have some doubts about Costa-Gavra and Roman Polansky's nationalities, though.--Wafry 19:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice work! I can't see any obvious problems. Polanski was a French citizen when he made The Pianist so that's probably the correct appropriate for him. Cop 663 20:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ridiculous
This is probably the most outrageously biased and poorly written paragraph I have ever seen on Wiki:

Since 1939, films from diverse countries have won the Palme d'Or or Grand Prix at the Cannes Film Festival. Nonetheless, in the almost seventy year history of the festival, a female director has only won the top prize once (film director Jane Campion for 1993's The Piano). Campion won the coveted prize after her previous film, Sweetie had been heckled and booed by mean-spirited festival goers.[4] Several other groundbreaking films by women directors have also been booed at Cannes. At Cannes, movies don't get booed for being bad -- they get booed for being shocking or transgressive. Bad movies just inspire walkouts. With filmmakers Wim Wenders and Vincent Gallo both having recent films booed at the fest, it is now considered a "badge of honor" for many top experimental filmmakers, both male and female.[5] [6]

'Mean-spirited'? From the perspective of whom? To a filmmaker anyone who boos your film would seem meanspirited.

'Groundbreaking'? Which films and according to whom?

'Movies don't get booed for being bad -- they get booed for being shocking or transgressive. Bad movies just inspire walkouts' That is not only outrageously POV but also completely informal.

Apart from the first sentence this paragraph tells us nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.83.148.88 (talk) 17:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right. What do you reckon now? --Paularblaster (talk) 08:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Girl No. 217
'Girl No. 217' was recently added as a winner for 1946. This is the first time I have ever seen this film included as a Palme d'Or/Grand Prix winner. Does anyone have any evidence for including this film other than a vague IMDB listing? If not I nominate it be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.202.126 (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Eternity Invades Darkness
This has recently popped up as a 1962 winner. Could someone in the know please confirm that this is in fact a Palme d'Or winner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.157.56 (talk) 04:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Palme d'Or - Award Winners
The link of the 1987 Palm d' Or winner Under the Sun of Satan links to the book. (16 July 2015) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.17.242 (talk) 14:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Palm d' Or winners of 2013 are three people not only the director. In the jury own words "This jury has taken the exceptional step of reconizing three artists..." The decission of the jury was considered unorthodox, but it is there an it is history. So please add Adèle Exarchopoulos and Léa Seydoux to the winners list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.116.136.90 (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

O Pagador the Promessas (Keeper of Promisses) english title is actually "The Given Word".
O Pagador the Promessas (Keeper of Promisses) english title is actually "The Given Word". It is the 1962 golden palm winner. Could someone correct this please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F2:2280:522E:184D:8F13:6E95:1964 (talk) 11:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2017
The director of the 2015 winner of the Palme d'Or is Jacques Audiard, not Jacques Ceylan, which looks to be a made up name. You can find the the source for this under the Wikipedia page for the film Dheepan, or under Jacques Audiard's own page or on IMDB.com 66.104.218.233 (talk) 14:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Done! Thank you for pointing out the mistake. Hoverfish Talk 14:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Marking as answered. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 15:04, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Multiple Palme winners
It says "Seven directors or co-directors have won the award twice:, but it lists 8. 8 is the correct number. Please replace "Seven" with "Eight". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.187.75 (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2018
Alf Sjöberg was awarded the 1946 Palme d'Or for his film Torment/Frenzy (Hets)and not for Iris and the Lieutenants heart.

Source: for instance http://www.svenskfilmdatabas.se Kråka (talk) 15:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done This took a lot of checking but I finally confirmed it. According to the Cannes Film Festival's official website, the Festival's administration has entrusted its archival holdings to Cinémathèque Française which is in charge of the conservation, treatment and public distribution of all documents related to the Cannes Film Festival. The particular document showing Hets as winning the Grand Prix is to be found here, by clicking Palmarès (prize list). I've changed the listing on the Wikipedia Palme d'Or article page, as well as the references to the win on both the Iris and the Lieutenant page and Torment / Hets page.   Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   17:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2018
For directors who won the award twice Luis Bunel is missing 2605:E000:6383:CE00:DDD4:FA84:6DC5:3DB1 (talk) 08:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2019
the list of winners displays Blue is the Warmest Color (la vie D'Adèle) as having been directed by Abdellatif Kechiche and Adèle Exarchopoulos but the latter is the film's actress, not the director. Only the first name is the directors name, the second needs to be removed from the "director" category Agpben (talk) 14:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. Sources agree that Exarchopoulos isn't a director of the film. Nthep (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

2013 award
The prize was awarded to both the director and the actress. Please see:

https://variety.com/2013/film/news/cannes-blue-is-the-warmest-color-wins-palme-d-or-1200488202/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlyingGuy (talk • contribs) 20:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * it was also awarded to Léa Seydoux the other lead actress in the film, a fact already mentioned in the article. The article also makes it clear that it was the jury broke with the tradition of not making any other awards to the Palme-winning film by making awards to the director and the stars of the film.  The point is that the column is headed Director not Palme awardee and neither Exarchopoulos or Seydoux were the director of the film.
 * If you want to start a discussion at Talk:Palme d'Or proposing that the column headings be amended in light of this situation, feel free. Nthep (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * @NThep I see your point; however, I am not sure how to resolve it.  All three were awarded the Palme' D'Or.  I wonder how you would.  Could we break the column up, in just the area for that film?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlyingGuy (talk • contribs) 21:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As this was a one-off I'd be inclined to leave the column as it is i.e. director only but make more of this extraordinary award in the text than it already is. It can be noted in the table that the additional award was made but not to name the others there. Nthep (talk) 17:20, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2019
Bong Joon-Ho's Parasite won the 2019 Palme D'Or see https://www.theguardian.com/film/live/2019/may/25/cannes-film-festival-2019-palme-dor-winner-announced-live Sglesby (talk) 18:24, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2019
Change Quentin Tarantino's Palme d'Or nominations from 3 to 4(Pulp Fiction,Death Proof,Inglourious Basterds, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood) Indianboyzz (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done NiciVampireHeart 22:41, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2019
Change Jim Jarmusch's Palme d'Or nominations from 7 to 8. Indianboyzz (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 00:26, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2020
In the Award Winners notes change "The Last Weekend" to "The Lost Weekend". 91.252.198.13 (talk) 11:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Goldsztajn (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Alf Sjoberg
Sjoberg's name was removed from the list of two-time winners of the Palme d'Or on the grounds of the award having a different name back when he won. But it's still the same award. Proof is, it's listed on this very page. if we were to adhere to this logic, Coppola's name would have to be removed as well, since the award wasn't named Palme d'Or when he first won. i argue that Coppola should remain and Sjoberg, be reinstated. JimboB (talk) 19:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I removed him based on this list from the official Cannes' website where Sjoberg is not mentioned among the multiple Palme d'Or winners.
 * https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/cannes-focus/the-notable-nine-two-time-palme-dor-winning-directors/
 * Their website is quite confusing as it shows "Grand Prix" for both the winners of the current prize and the winners of the old prize that was later renamed as Palme d'Or.
 * Examples:
 * https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/p/alf-sjoberg/
 * https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/p/nuri-bilge-ceylan/
 * However, I don't oppose to reinstating Sjoberg back to the multiple winners section. It's just weird that the festival's official website doesn't consider him as a multiple Palme d'Or winner like the others. Zoolver (talk) 23:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2024
In the table of WINNERS, include in the 2013 row in the forth column, the following missing information (the below language is a translation of what is in the French page):

"and its two lead acresses: Adèle Exarchopoulos and Léa Seydoux." Treflection (talk) 03:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: According to the table, that column is for directors, not actresses. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)