Talk:Pan Am Railways

new paint scheme seen in the wild
Spotted a note on one of the other rail transport boards today about a new paint scheme for Pan Am Railways. Is there a Wikipedian in the area who can get and upload a free image for us? Slambo (Speak) 18:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * MEC 506 in new paint (fireman's side), May 2, 2008
 * MEC 506 in new paint (engineer's side), May 3, 2008


 * I'll try to get a photo ASAP. I've been trying to get photos of the first two units in Pan Am paint -- 505 and 511 -- but there's always been some obstructing object in the way, or bad lighting, or both.  The shot of the Pan Am boxcar was the best I've been able to come up with so far.  Hopefully in the near future I'll encounter the 506 and have my camera with me. —BMRR (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Still haven't seen it in person, but Rod Bushway posted a shot on RailPictures.Net:
 * http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=239011
 * —BMRR (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * 307 has recently emerged in the new paint scheme, as seen here
 * Shame they couldn't take the time to touch up the numberboards.
 * —BMRR (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * —BMRR (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * —BMRR (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I still haven't caught the units in the dark blue "retro" Pan Am paint, but I finally caught the 505 and the 511 -- the two units in the "modern" Pan Am livery. Only took me three years to lens 'em!  The photo is rather poor due to the distance and the angle, but I suppose it's better than nothing, so I added it to the article.
 * —BMRR (talk) 22:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * —BMRR (talk) 22:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Today I finally caught two of the "retro" units. Crappy (but better than nothing) photo added to the article. —BMRR (talk) 01:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Aircraft owned by Pan Am Railways
Does anyone know what PAR is going to do with all the Boeing 727s and British Areospace J31s that the FAA has registered to them after the fall Pan Am "Clipper Connection"? Are they in storage or are they leasing them out? Are they producing any income for PAR? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrebstad (talk • contribs) 22:07, Aug 19, 2008


 * This is the first I've heard of it, in regards to the aircraft being transferred from the airline to the railroad. Do you have a source for this -- e.g. web site link, news article, etc.?
 * —BMRR (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * —BMRR (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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Delaware and Hudson
This article mentions that the Delaware and Hudson Railroad was purchaced by GTI (now PanAm), and although I have heard this from multiple people, there is no reference cited, and the article for the D&H has no mention of this, instead saying that the D&H is a subsidiary of Canadian National. Also in the photo of the Pan Am Headquarters, the sign shows four railroads operated by Pan Am, and the D&H is not listed there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parcanman (talk • contribs) 15:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It is in fact mentioned in the D&H article — if you go to the article and scroll down to section 3 (Delaware and Hudson Railway), the info about Guilford is in the second paragraph. That article doesn't have inline reference citations, but it does list a few external references, one of which is this D&H Timeline from the D&H historical society. Scroll down and you'll see the relevant dates for D&H being acquired by Guilford, D&H being relinquished by Guilford, and D&H being acquired by Canadian Pacific. (Note that it's Canadian Pacific, not Canadian National.)
 * Give me a day or two and I'll add some references to this article (and also the D&H article if I can remember it).
 * The reason D&H isn't listed on the PAR HQ sign is because PAR no longer owns the D&H (see above).
 * Hope this helps clarify things a bit! –BMRR (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hope this helps clarify things a bit! –BMRR (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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Pan Am Systems and CSX
The reports that indicate that CSX is purchasing Pan Am Railways from Pan Am Systems is not accurate. CSX is purchasing all of Pan Am Systems, here’s what it says on the STB revised report:

“Specifically, Systems would be merged with 747 Merger Sub 1, Inc., with Systems surviving. Immediately thereafter, Systems would be merged with 747 Merger Sub 2, with 747 Merger Sub 2 surviving and the separate corporate existence of Systems ceasing. 747 Merger Sub 2, as the surviving corporation, would be renamed Pan Am Systems, Inc., and would be a wholly owned subsidiary of CSXC. Concurrent with closing, CSXC would contribute Pan Am Systems, Inc., and all of its subsidiaries to CSXT. CSXT would thereafter control the rail carrier subsidiaries of Pan Am Systems, Inc., and at a future time yet to be determined, would merge those subsidiaries, except V&M, into CSXT.”

So CSX is purchasing Pan Am Systems and replaced it with a short lived new Pan Am Systems instead of just purchasing Pan Am Railways. Here’s the report I’m talking about- https://www.progressiverailroading.com/resources/editorial/2022/50875.pdf

Granthew (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Locomotive roster table
Upon reflection, I agree with User:DavidWBrooks that the overly detailed tag isn't appropriate. This roster doesn't have giant blobs of text in the notes section with trivia as some rosters do. The heritage locomotives section has citations, but unfortunately only to self-published sources. We just need one or more reliable sources for the table and the heritage locomotives before the original research tag can be removed. I will see what I can find at some point; I have a long-term goal of getting all of Connecticut's railroad articles to GA status, which would include Pan Am Railways. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I've properly cited the heritage locomotives subsection now. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Claims PAR is a CSX subsidiary
Everything I've found online indicates PAR has been absorbed by CSX, and no longer exists as a company. An editor changed the article today claiming without evidence that the company still exists. Is there any evidence in reliable sources to support this claim? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * As of 4 pm today the entity Pan Am Railways Inc. is still listed as an active Corporation in Delaware and as an active Foreign Corporation in the Massachusetts.FFM784 (talk) 20:54, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Every source I can find indicated PAR was merged into CSX. See  . Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

https://www.csx.com/index.cfm/about-us/media/press-releases/csx-completes-acquisition-of-pan-am-railways/ Rcarvz (talk) 13:24, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

It's announced on CSX's website Rcarvz (talk) 13:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * You misunderstand. I'm well aware CSX purchased Pan Am. The confusion is whether Pan Am still exists as a company, or was merged into CSX with the purchase and no longer retains its corporate identity. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The wording of this tweet implies that Pan Am no longer exists as a company. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I am still thoroughly unconvinced that Pan Am Railways remains a company. From Railfan & Railroad: “CSX is pleased that the STB approved the proposed acquisition of Pan Am and has recognized the significant benefits this transaction will bring to shippers and other New England stakeholders,” said CSX President and Chief Executive Officer James M. Foote. “We look forward to integrating Pan Am, their employees and the rail-served industries of the Northeast into CSX and to working in partnership with connecting railroads to provide exceptional supply chain solutions to New England and beyond.”" This obviously implies that Pan Am Railways is no more and was integrated into CSX. Therefore, the article should be "Pan Am Railways was...". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)