Talk:Pancake/Archive 1

Sayings about pancakes
In the UK we have a saying 'as flat as a pancake'. 'as flat as a flapjack' doesn't have the same ring to it. Maybe we should remove the ridiculous flapjack name from the lead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 11:36, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

pancakes in New Zealand
There is no legitimacy behind this information quoted here: "In some circles in New Zealand, very thin, crêpe-like or UK pancake-like pancakes (around 20 cm in diameter) are known as "flapjacks". The name may derive from their thinness, making them more likely to "flap". They are traditionally served with butter, or butter and lemon, possibly something sweet, and then rolled up and eaten." Im from New zealand, and flap jacks are known as a type of oaty biscuit, not a pancake! Our pancakes are long and thin, essentially crepe-like, and we refer to them as -"pancakes". The person who wrote this got the description of the pancake right, but what gave them the idea we call them flapjacks? Everyone knows what flapjacks are! We also have american style pancakes, which we refer to as "american styled pancakes" and then we have pikelets. Where did the person who said this get their information from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.56.175 (talk) 00:56, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Pancakes In Australia
In Australia Pancakes are commonly eaten with lemon juice and sugar (referred to as just lemon and sugar). Honey is also a common topping as well as chocolate topping.

Also, Jam might be a common topping but jelly is not. Jelly is actually the name used to describe to what's known in the USA as Jello. Although there is a difference to Jam and Jelly, it's all commonly called Jam in Australia. -- Hostagexandox —Preceding comment was added at 16:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They are? I been here four years, been to Pancake Parlour numerous times, and who exactly puts lemon juice and sugar on pancakes? From what I can tell the choices are either corn syrup or maple syrup with that butter sir. On to the next topic, Aussie slang for Jello is hardly room for nitting about what the rest of the world calls a pectin-based fruit-flavored solidified jar of semi-solids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.97.107 (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

"I been here four years, been to Pancake Parlour" is hardly any help in talking about Aussie Culture! Some of us native born Aussies have lived in various parts of Australia for over 60 years! Pancake Manor is based on US concepts, not Aussie. Golden Syrup - cane sugar syrup - was also even more popular than honey as it is a stronger deeper flavour. Golden Syrup is one of the main ingredients in ANZAC biscuits, a definite Aussie food icon. "Aussie slang for Jello" - Ah - sorry, the English call it Jam too - ONLY in the USA is it 'Jello' - this is just another example of US Cultural Imperialism crushing all before it and denying the local histories. Jello - US slang for Jam is closer to the global truth. In Australia 'Jelly' sets hard and is eaten chilled with a spoon. Corn Syrup is a US product - and Maple Syrup is Canadian -loved by Americans and not used much here (it's ALL imported - we HAVE no maple trees!) till the last couple of decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.179.44 (talk) 00:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow, your cultural heritage is distroyed by some Americans who don't use "Jelly" the same way you do? How fragile of you. For your information, Maple syrupe is tied culturally to every country with native maple trees. The US has plenty of Maple Syrup, thankyouverymuch, and is proud of its use of the natural sweetnener. Check out the Maple Syrup page for more culture crushing information to get upset about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.41.35.43 (talk) 12:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Pancake Day / Shrove Tuesday
The pancake page seems incomplete without a discussion of Pancake Day (aka. Shrove Tuesday, Mardi Gras etc.). Trouble is, I'm not sure if it's an exclusively British tradition to have pancakes then. Also, how about putting up a recipe for pancake batter? -- Magnus

Why is the pancake page protected?? How controversial can pancakes be? Someone with an account should remove the double entry about the art of pancake flipping! /E —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.1.70 (talk) 03:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Pancakes on Mardi Gras?!? This USian is baffled. Sounds like a wonderful thing to add, though - certainly as relevant as IHOP. -- [[User:DavidWBrooks]


 * Actually, there is a pancake flipping race held on Shrove Tuesday between a town in England and a town in Kansas, but I can't remember the names of the towns. RickK 01:44, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * I just added a bit about pancake races, I didn't know there was one linked to the US. What do you mean by "between"? I'm picturing people running across the ocean flipping pancakes now!  fabiform | talk 01:49, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * LOL! The two towns (turns out it's Olney, England and Liberal, Kansas) race along an agreed-upon-length course, and the times are compared. The competitors have to flip their pancakes at the start and at the end of the race, and keep it on the griddle.  RickK 04:27, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't know how common it is in the US, but's not just a British tradition to have pancakes on Shrove tuesday. My church would have a pancake dinner on that day while I was growing up (in Maryland.)  Isomorphic 01:50, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wikibooks
I've removed the following from the article as it seems confusing (these are very different but unexplained recipies) and perhaps better suited to wikibooks? I've added two links to pancake recipies. fabiform | talk 01:39, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

A common recipe for pancake batter:


 * 4 1/2 cups flour
 * 1/4 cup sugar
 * 1 tsp. salt
 * 1 pkg. dry yeast
 * 4 cups milk
 * 1/2 cup butter
 * 6 eggs

Combine and beat until smooth. Lightly grease griddle and pour 1/4 cup batter onto hot surface for each pancake. Turn when edges look cooked and bubbles begin to break on surface.

For extra light pancakes, mix some beer in with the batter.

It is also possible to follow a simpler recipe, without exact measurements. First, break an egg into a bowl. Mix in plain white flour until a smooth paste is formed and then dilute with milk until the consistency is suitable for pouring. Heat a small amount of some kind of cooking fat or cooking oil in a small frying pan and pour in enough mixture to thinly cover the base of the pan (leaving a little room round the edge). When the mixture appears to be reasonably cooked on the base (the top side will change in appearance), either turn or flip the pancake to cook the reverse.

Flapjack
Flapjack redirects to Pancake, but there's no reference to flapjacks in the pancake article. I'm assuming that a flapjack is another name for a British pancake. Lee M 22:45, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * Not where I come from (South east England) a flap jack is a cake/biscuit sort of thing made from rolled oats golden syrup (Corn syrup?) and butter. Quite nice but nothing like a pancake.


 * It seems to be American, as Theresa says British flapjacks are sweet oaty things, like a musli bar almost. fabiform | talk 23:29, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) :

FLAPJACK: Dictionary Entry and Meaning Pronunciation:   'flap`jak WordNet Dictionary
 * Definition:  [n]  a flat cake of thin batter fried on both sides on a griddle
 * Synonyms:  battercake, flannelcake, flapcake, griddlecake, hot cake, hotcake, pancake


 * They are indeed oaty bar things. I'm quite fond of the Fabulous Bakin' Boys' Mighty Oat flapjack with my post-exam coffee/ pre-revision coffee. So I've changed the flapjack page to include the description and a link to here. Sockatume 06:45, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

British pancakes

 * The pancake article says that British pancakes are similar to, but not exactly the same as French crepes, the latter being "lacy" in appearance. There is an external link to a British recipe for pancakes -- the recipe looks to me almost exactly like the Jacques Pepin recipe I use to make French crepes.  And the accompanying photograph looks just like a crepe, including the "lacy" brown areas.Hayford Peirce 22:39, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * That is because there is no such thing as a "British" pancake. They simply renamed the Crepe after it was introduced to them by France. A pancacke is nothing like a Crepe. - Clayton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.57.239 (talk) 17:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Swedish pancakes
Pannkakor redirects here to Pancake, but aren't Swedish pancakes slightly different from regular American ones? -- Beland 00:11, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I haven't eaten american pancakes. The swedish ones are similar to crepes, there is also a thicker variant, which is fried in the oven, I think...
 * Info added on types of Swedish pancakes, the names of Swedish pancakes are 'Pannkaka/Pannkakor' 'Plätt/Plättar' 'Småplätt/Småplättar' 'Ugnspannkaka/Ugnspannkakor' 'Fläskpannkaka/Fläskpannkakor' (with pork) 'Raggmunk/Raggmunkar' (potato pancake) 'Råraka/Rårakor' (potato pancake without actual pancake batter). However, which name corresponds to the "British", small and "German" pancake (when not including pork) varies depending on part of the country. It might be worth the trouble to make a separate pages for the Swedish pancakes clearing up what names correspond to what pancake in different parts of country, but would clutter the main pancake article too much.

The date 1439 seems to be an error, possibly propagated by a BBC article on pancakes available on the internet. As far as I have been able to determine, the first English language recipe for pancakes is given in HARLEIAN MS. 279 (c. 1430-1440), and the number 1439 probably refers to ASHMOLE MS. 1439, which was published together with the former (and others) in 1888. See for yourself: here. Burschik 13:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The statement that Swedish pancakes are eaten on thursdays together with pea soup is made in a way that makes it appear as if pancakes can only be eaten in swedish in this context and that it is commonly practiced. In reality it's not; as far as I'm concerned, this is mainly limited to students on special occasions. Pancakes can be eaten (without pea soup) any day in the week as a common meal. HannesP (talk) 10:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I also reacted to that, it is true that there has been such a tradition but it is long gone. Another thing that is not clear in the text is how extremely common pancakes are in Sweden and also that it normally is considered a full meal and not just a desert.
 * SweBrainz (talk) 08:17, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Korean pancakes
Did you known that there's also the Korean Version of Panckes too? Their ingredients includes eggs, seafood (For example, squid, salmon, scallop, clams, oysters), plus various types of onions, tomatoes, spinach, and other choice vegetables. They're mixed and pan-fried in a batch, and they're so yummy and delicious! So, could anyone please do some research on Korean Pancakes asap?

Thanks, bye!

"Scottish-style" photos
I rolled back the addition of two pictures of store-packaged pancakes that appeared to be making a joke about the labels. If not, I apologize - but if they were meant seriously, I'm afraid they are terrible pictures that show nothing. - DavidWBrooks 02:35, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

time to disambiguate?
There are an awful lot of "see also" articles linked at the bottom which have nothing to do with pancakes as food. Do people think it is time to move this article to Pancake (food), turning this into a disambiguation article - or do people think the food meaning so overwhelming that we should leave this as the main article and put this at the top:
 * 'For more meanings, see Pancake (disambiguation)

Any thoughts? (Note to non-administrators: If you like the idea of moving the article, don't try to do it with a cut-and-paste, as that loses the talk page. It requires a special Move function) - DavidWBrooks 17:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Guess I'll do the latter, then ... - DavidWBrooks 19:10, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Silver dollar?
The article compares Scottish pancakes to silver dollars, but I've never eaten one (of the pancakes, not the coins) less than 3" across (or seen one in the shops smaller than that size). Could do with confirmation regarding the size of the US currency (I'm assuming it's not 3" across) because it seems that Silver Dollar pancakes and Scotch pancakes are something else entirely. User:Sockatume10:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Most United States Silver Dollars were a little less than 40 mm in diameter. "Silver dollar pancake" uses that as a metaphor: they aren't actually that small, but they are much smaller than most pancakes. Jonathunder 14:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Is the picture really correct. I was brought up with Highland cooking and a drop scone (what is called elsewhere a Scotch pancake) is smaller, or the same size as a muffin, but the picture shows otherwise. That pancake doesn't look like a drop scone to me. Francis Davey 18:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The pancake in the picture added on 9 March (with the folded fruit crumpet) was sourced from the East End Bakers, Kempock Street, Gourock: see that article for a photo in the bakers' shop, and it was measured by me as being 110 x 18mm. When my mother made drop pancakes to the same recipe they turned out much smaller (some probably about silver dollar size!) so that may be what you remember. ...dave souza, talk 17:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, um, is it just me, or does this page use the word "savoury" way too much? -- Monk of the highest order 15:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Invention
Who, or where, invented pancakes? What is their origins? Kaiser matias 05:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe somebody can give evidence otherwise, but I suspect this is one of those basic foods that was invented many times in many places. Might as well ask who invented the cake. - DavidWBrooks 11:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've always heard it was a way of getting rid of all the ingredients in the house that might spoil, in preparation for Lent. Sounds ridiculous to me, one of those things parents and teachers make up to send intelligent. They basically said that was how it was invented... 81.104.102.54 11:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We should start this article with maybe a general description of pancakes...perhaps what all of the different types of pancakes have in common before breaking out into different types of pancakes as well has a history/invention section. How different past cultures have prepared the pancake? Pnkrockr 14:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Brazil
On the subject of French crêpes the article includes: ... Brazil (where they're usually called pancake ...). This is very odd. Do the Brazilians really use the English word "pancake" to refer to French crêpes when speaking Portuguese? -- Picapica 20:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Good link for more information
I just came across this website that has a dicussion of the history of pancakes with lots of citations that could be inputed into this article if someone has the time. Remember 15:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting link, thanks ;). I modified it slightly such that it jumps to the relevant section.  &there4; here&hellip;&spades; 23:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Organisation
I think it would be clearer to reorganise the article depending on the style of the pancake. e.g., from see-through thin French crêpes via German Pfannkuchen and American pancakes up to the thick Scottish crumpets. The current enumeration of countries and styles makes it harder to see commonalities, and also makes it essentially impossible to split up. Kjetilho 16:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This sounds like a great idea to me. Go for it!  &there4; here&hellip;&spades; 03:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Photo
I have a great photo off a typical pancake with various fruits, syrup and cream. This is a great photo as it shows the detail of the untypical short and fat pancakes, if any one want me to add it to the page just ask, T saston 22:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Protect against condoms?
As of this writing this entry has, under the North America heading: "Canadians and Americans alike use pancake for a certain pleasurable experience. they protect against STD's and are commonly used as condoms"

Someone might want to fix that. :P 71.221.125.69 (talk) 16:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

It does seem odd that not only the article but a lot of the discussion section are locked to comments - although vandalism may explain it. In any case, the so-called "Mexican pancakes" sound basically like johnny cakes if their sole distinguishing characteristic (other than toppings) from other traditional American/Canadian pancakes is their use of corn meal. In any case, there or elsewhere the cornmeal-based johnny cake should probably be mentioned in any complete article on this crucial topic. jmdeur 14:38 29 Feb 2008 (UTC)

Indian pancakes are not pancakes
Dosa cannot be considered pancakes. They are not prepared using sweet flour, as the article states is the distinguishing feature of pancakes. They are their own class of food...more like a tortilla than anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Po12345 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Jonnycakes
Hey! What about jonnycakes? They are basically pancakes made with cornbread mix. I'd add it, but the page is locked.72.78.153.62 (talk) 07:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The little 'drop scones' are called pikelets in Wales too - or at least South Wales where I was brought up. Can this be amended? (EVH) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.240.48 (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

North America
The sight of it filling most of the front you get just when you see the article is horrendous. Just want to say that you might feel very good with it being there (extremely good perhaps even), but it hurts the actual reading experience for me. Why not put it chronologically, or after what is the most diverse cusine? It's not the NA one so that should solve it too.

Anyway, awaiting response that there might be some natural explanation of what seems to be an attempt to annoy readers. Something systematic or mathematical.

80.167.148.208 (talk) 08:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

How very astute. You have actually uncovered an outrageously evil plot by North Americans to annoy other readers. I take my hat o Damn it, I can't go on. I've been laughing so hard I just peed my pants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.37.220.60 (talk) 14:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Banana slices?
I've heard of putting banana slices with pancakes, but then again strawberries, blueberries, and walnuts are just as common. Why specifically mention banana slices as a North American tradition? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.149.163 (talk) 10:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This is not a North American tradition. 70.116.76.173 (talk) 16:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Maple Syrup
There are a lot of references to using Maple Syrup on pancakes. Not sure if this is encyclopedic, but perhaps it should be made clear that in the majority of cases in the U.S., what is actually being put on the pancakes is corn syrup with at most 2% maple syrup for flavoring. 69.95.233.206 (talk) 23:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Origin
citation "The question, whether the French crepe, the Austrian Palatschinken or the Hungarian palacsinta was created earlier, has not been decided for ages (though possibly the Roman placenta is their common ancestor - the latter was introduced by the Roman Legions into the countries of the European continent)." Yes, the Romans, not the Romanians. "Palatschinken" is plural. In Austrian German, the singular would be "Palatschinke" (pronunciation approx. [pala'tʃinkə]), derived from Hungarian "palacsinta." (an Austrian)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.146.163 (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Orson Wetterberg
"The all-time record holder, Orson Wetterberg, once ate 73 pancakes in ten minutes which has been the record for 39 years." Does this really need to be right up front, in the very first paragraph that describes pancakes? It sounds awfully like trivia to me. Anyone with more experience on WP policies want to see if that violates WP:TRIVIA? Kyprosサマ (talk) 13:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Pancakes are not flatbread
Contrary to what it says in the current lead sentence, pancakes are not flatbread. Flatbread is made from a dough that is pressed flat, whereas pancakes are always made from batter and never dough. Also, unlike most flatbreads, pancakes are soft in texture and sweet in flavor. Just because they are flat does not make them "flatbread." --Jcbutler (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Scandinavian and Eastern European
While we don't have a photo of an EE pancake, I can vouch that the current photo for Swedish pancakes looks exactly like a Polish pancake. Our text currently doesn't describe the similarity.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This polish pancake photo is ugly by the way ;(

Danish Pancakes
What about Abele Skeevers (sp? People spell them many different ways) They are small puffy pancakes cooked in a special pan. You need to add these to the European section! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.61.223 (talk) 16:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

What about the thin pancakes made in denmark? They are not the same as the american ones — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.184.156.133 (talk) 12:32, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Inappropriate flap jack redirect
Why does flap jack redirect to this page? Flap Jacks have nothing to do with pancakes. I want to read an article about flap jacks. I'm not interested in pancakes, yet here I am on a pancake discussion page. This is wrong. Someone needs to sort this out. Seriously. Traveller palm (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, flap jack redirects to flapjack, not pancake. However, flap jacks (plural!) used to redirect to pancake, but I have fixed it in response to your comment. Now both flap jack and flap jacks redirect to flapjack. --Zlerman (talk) 18:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that's what I call service. I was lost but now am found. Good work there Zlerman. I'm forever in your debt.  :-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traveller palm (talk • contribs) 19:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
There's been a lot of vandalism on this article lately. Should something be done about it? 74.33.174.133 (talk) 23:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It always seems to be a bit of a vandal magnet. Waffle is the same. Perhaps vandals think with their stomachs. The vandalism level is nowhere near as bad as when I first started watching this article. I don't think we need to do anything special. Putting semi-protection on it would stop all IP editors from editing it and that is not something we want to do unless we really have to. I recommend to just keep reverting the bad stuff. If you want to help then please consider registering an account. That way you will have a Watchlist which helps you keep track of this sort of thing. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit request
The annual Rehab Parliamentary Pancake Race is being held in Victoria Tower Gardens in London on 9th February 2010. We would like to add this to the page - is this possible? Thanks Tom 83.104.4.34 (talk) 11:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Sorry Tom, I think that would fall under our policy about advertising. Celestra (talk) 13:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Pikelets
I know of a reproduction 19th century cookbook with a recipe for Yorkshire Pie Clates !! And some with English family roots argue that the word should be spelt Piklets (nothing to do with PIK E S) - but interesting similarity to Pie Clates. Looking for useful references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.179.44 (talk) 00:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Spelling standard?
Does this page have one?

It's just that it's odd to see "savory" in a non-US context.

Varlaam (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It uses 'ize' instead of 'ise' and the spelling 'flavor', so it appears to have US English as its standard. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * They seem to be formalizing more things these days.
 * So if the page does have a standard, and it's been applied fairly consistently, then the standard should probably be declared at the top of this page for reference.
 * Varlaam (talk) 00:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Random factoids
The first three paragraphs (if you can them that) appear to just be a string of unrelated statements that dump one little fact after another. One wonders if anyone knows how to even write a deceit paragraph here - evidence is lacking.

Geography: Northern europe
Sorry guys, I just came from the german Wiki to see the Englich version and you totally massed up with the geography. Northern Europe consits of Scandinavia thats Norway, Sweden and Finnland, and Danmark. France, Netherlands and Belgium are part of Western Europe, and Germany is part of central/Eastern Europe. Rgrds frm Grmny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.91.38 (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe the terminology is different in German but in English it is normal not to regard Europe as 4 sectors. Instead all of Europe is regarded as north or south. For example, the UK is regarded as northern Europe as well as western Europe. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Borlengo appears to be an Italian variant. Existing article can be copyedited to similar style as existing variants here, and merged, either under the West Central Europe section, or given a section of its own if it is a notable anough variation. Haruth (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm open to merger, but wonder whether merging it to crepe might not be the better course?--Epeefleche (talk) 01:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Or pasta or pizza? It seems to be a form of pasta. Dougweller (talk) 05:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Crepe would be better, since on the article itself it mentions "..is a crepe...." and I don't see Borlengo getting larger in the future. There's always the chance since it was created recently, but borlengo isn't as famous as pancakes or crepes. SwisterTwister   talk  04:42, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Pancakes In Slovakia
Although the thin pancakes are called "palacinky", the thick ones are called "lievance". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.40.182.3 (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggesetion for external link
I wonder how people would feel if this link:

http://www.greatlittleideas.com/find-ideas/search/pancake?gclid=CLu6-vmC-KsCFQULfAodGRvHCA

were added to the external link list? As you can see, it is a list of pancake recipes. I know that Wikipedia is not a "how-to" manual (see What Wikipedia is not, but I wondered whether this might give a little more information which some people might be seeking after  clicking on this link. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The individual recipes would go well in this article, but the actual link to this website in inapropriate. MilkStraw532 (talk) 19:50, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should have recipes in the article either, and certainly not the link (I did pick up one idea from it, but there are much better websites anyway). Dougweller (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Geography (again): Ireland
There's a United Kingdom, and there's an Ireland, not a United Kingdom and Ireland. They are neighbours, but you can't group the two together. Just like you wouldn't refer to "Germany and France". Maybe add Ireland, or both even, to the Western Europe section? Beyonce (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If they do Pancakes the same, why shouldn't they be covered together? Australia and New Zealand are listed together.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 21:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, where does it say that they do pancakes the same? In fact, Ireland isn't mentioned at all in that section :-) It currently includes England, Scotland and Wales - so the title should really be "United Kingdom" only. Beyonce (talk) 21:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Nobody seems to be complaining about Australia and New Zealand sharing a section. Nor the North America section which appears to include Canada, the USA, the West Indies and the Dominican Republic. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 22:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * But all of those examples actually mention those countries in those sections. Whereas the UK and Ireland section doesn't mention a word about Ireland. Ireland has a long and difficult history with Britain, so being lazily lumped inaccurately in with the old colonial power is still a sensitive issue. The Australia+NZ-type examples are not really comparable. Beyonce (talk) 22:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In Spain there is a tradition of eating"torrijas"for Easter,a kind a fried pie made of the remainings of previous days bread,soaked in milk with cinnamon.--Solymar42 (talk) 01:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not a pancake, but it sounds like French toast. Ah, just checked that article and indeed it has a paragraph starting "In Spain, it is called torrijas..." Dougweller (talk) 06:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

There is no mention of Ireland in the UK and Ireland section. Why not just drop Ireland? Irish pancakes are exactly like French ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.48.82.143 (talk) 08:32, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Pancake day in Belgium / France / Netherlands / other?
Reading up on this article I noticed the US and the UK had some kind of "pancake day" celebration associated with mardi gras.

For Belgium the traditional day to eat pancakes, which has been a tradition for centuries has always been "Maria Lichtmis" on februari 2nd. Not mardi gras. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria-Lichtmis (don't go to the english page for this entry, translate the dutch one. Focus lies on different things) For France / French speaking Belgium, they call that day "Chandeleur" (also February 2nd) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandeleur.

In English this day is apparently called Candlemas or more elaborately "Presentation of Jesus at the Temple".

Traditionally, that day , next to eating pancakes , there is also a ritual you have to perform to keep prosperity in the house. It consists of baking a pancake with the skillet in the right hand and a gold coin in the left, where when the pancake is finished -without opening or using the left hand during the process- one has to flip it on top of the kitchen cupboard. The pancake will sit there the whole year radiating luck.

With this I'd like to encourage someone with better English skills -Being french I fear I'll end up using out of context terminology - than mine to look into this in more detail and add it to the pancake page.

Friendly regards 83.101.83.247 (talk) 01:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Article Quote : "In Canada,[36] the United Kingdom,[37] Ireland,[38] New Zealand, and Australia,[39] pancakes are traditionally eaten on Shrove Tuesday, which is also known as "Pancake Day" and, particularly in Ireland and Scotland, as "Pancake Tuesday". (Shrove Tuesday is better known in the United States, France and other countries as Mardi Gras or Fat Tuesday.) Historically, pancakes were made on Shrove Tuesday so that the last of the fatty and rich foods could be used up before Lent."

Implying in a sense pancake day is on Mardi Gras for France, Belgium etc is just plain wrong .. As stated in above text, Pancake day for a whole lot of European countries is Feb 2nd .. Chandeleur, Candlemas , Maria Lichtmis. 83.101.83.87 (talk) 12:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Pikelets in Australia
Under Pancakes in Australia and New Zealand, it'd most likely be useful for it to also be noted the word pikelets is also used to refer to the british crumpet. Anjwalker (talk) 22:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Minor edit in Asian Section
Asian section has: Indian pancakes, called pooda (sometimes called Cheela, can be made either sweet or salty and are of different thicknesses in different places. There either needs to be a closing Parentheses, or the Parentheses needs to be a comma. I'm not the best with grammar rules, so I'll leave it up to someone who is to correct this. Maybe it needs to be rewritten all together? Perhaps we could use: Indian pancakes, called Pooda (sometimes called Cheela), can be made either sweet or salty and are of different thicknesses in different places. --Mjnbrn (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Pakistan
All of the items mentioned as similar to pancakes are actually flat breads made of dough, not batter. The only example of a pancake in Pakistan is form Chitrali cuisine. I have deleted the rest and added the true Pakistani pancake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred-Bolor (talk • contribs) 00:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit to the Mexico secition
With the kind of comments I read directly below, I'm wondering if it's even worth my time writing any kind of comment here. But anyhow, I tried and failed to have an edit accepted on adding crepes as a type of pancake introduced by the French in Mexico (with bibliography available) between the 1830'and late 1860's - besides the "American style" pancake, which actually is a later import from the United States (apparently that is not relevant - oh well...). Crepes have been eaten in Mexico for more than 100 years  --72.182.122.232 (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've moved this to the bottom where others might see it - the comments you mention were simply about an image that was on the page then. I've restored it with some minor tweaking. Dougweller (talk) 15:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2015
The original pancake is made in Sweden

83.248.42.33 (talk) 09:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Reference please. Materialscientist (talk) 09:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2015
In the Poland sub-section add a paragraph:

Another Polish dish reassembling pancakes are racuchy. They are smaller and thicker than naleśniki and can be stuffed with apple slices.

Possibly also remove Orphan issue from racuchy.

– Tracerneo (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 01:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It could also be added to Polish cuisine. Do you know which heading it should go under (ie Main course, Desserts etc)? Stickee (talk) 01:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, added it to both Polish cuisine and the linked list of Polish desserts. Also removed orphaned template from the article about racuchy. – Tracerneo (talk) 01:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2016
"In countries of former Yugoslavia (Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, and Slovenia), they are called palačinka (plural palačinke)" (You forgot to add Montenegro as one of the countries of former Yugoslavia).

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017
There are some mistakes in the Russian section. 1. Blini are not necessarily thin. They can be thin or thick. 2. Dough is more often made without yeast. 3. Blini and blinchiki are not two different things. Blinchiki is just a diminutive form of blini. Blin is any kind of pancake no matter the recipe. Except oladyi which is just smaller radius blini but they don't count as blini in our cuisine. Женя Логинов /Zhenya Loginov 16:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * It is a more complicated story with terminology here. It is correct that "blini" is a generic Russian term for any pancakes, thick or thin. But in English, "blini" refers mainly to блины русские ("Russian pancakes", see e.g. Molokhovets, отдел XV, Б. Русские блины). These traditional pancakes are relatively thin, but usually made with yeast or baking soda, and somewhat thicker than crepes. In contrast, very thin crepe-like pancakes are called blintzes in the US. This word came to American English via Yiddish. In some Russian books such pancakes are called блинцы (see here). But more commonly they are called блинчики (blinchiki) or налистники (nalistniki, if stuffed). It is correct that blinchiki is a Russian diminutive of blini, and that these terms are colloquially used interchangeably. But it became common in Russian cookbooks to use the term blinchiki specifically to thin crepe-like pancakes (see e.g. Molokhovets, отдел XV, А. Блинчики, cf. same source above; Кулинария 1955, 2278. Блинчики - "blinchiki", cf. same source Блины на питьевой соде - "blini with baking soda"; Книга о вкусной и здоровой пище, 1952 includes separate sections: "Блины и оладьи" (Blini and oladyi) and "Блинчики и блинчатые пироги" (Blinchiki and blinchik pies); similarly Alexandrova-Ignatieva, 1909 describes separately пресные блинчики and блины; etc.). These books are the most authoritative classical sources on Russian and Soviet cuisine. So the current description on the page is basically correct, though not as detailed, as it should be. --Off-shell (talk) 21:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2017
Pancakes are delicious. AceyCanDab (talk) 06:51, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017
There isn't a recipe reference for English pancakes in this article (but there are recipes for Chinese pancakes, Indonesian pancakes etc.). Here's a popular BBC Good Food recipe that I use for classic pancakes with lemon and sugar: https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2907669/easy-pancakes Please include it as a reference in the paragraph 'Great Britain > England' alongside the mentions of lemon and sugar e.g. 'They may be eaten as a sweet dessert with the traditional topping of lemon juice and sugar'. Thank you. 207.82.79.76 (talk) 10:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done I believe the statement in Pancake already covers this.

''English pancakes are similar to French crêpes and Italian crespelle. They may be eaten as a sweet dessert with the traditional topping of lemon juice and sugar, drizzled with golden syrup, or wrapped around savoury stuffings and eaten as a main course. On Shrove Tuesday, it is custom to eat pancakes, and lemon juice and sugar may be added on top.''  —   IVORK  Discuss 22:03, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2019
I would like to add the Place of Origin to the Infobox please. Thanks. 173.238.231.208 (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2020
there is a swedish pancake missing. they are called krabbelurer or "crablings" and are small pancakes that you whip up the eggs and sugar into a foam and they sometimes include chickpea broth from conserved chickpeas. they are smaller than most pancakes, about 1.5 cm thick and both sides are dipped in sugar. Andreahh89 (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
Pancakes in south-africa are soft and fluffy and does not have a texture like crepes. I have never in my life seen anyone use lemon juice to soften a pancake since they are already soft to begin with. Lemon juice is ocassionally added in the batter before the pancake is made on a oven. The pancake is then sprinkled with cinnamon and sugar, not cinnamon sugar which is sugar with a flavouring agent. Often times it is also filled with caramel and bananas. They are not usually eaten on cold and wet days, since the provinces in which they are eaten most often have very little rainfall and is closer to a dessert environment. Pancakes are enjoyed year round and often served at the entrances to shopping centres, church festivals, sporting events, school functions, and generally any large event. They are common in restaurants as well and coffee shops. A pancake in south africa is soft and fluffy and eaten hot, if it is not soft then it won't be eaten because we will consider it to made poorly or just bad. Pancakes are usually sold between 7-15 rand in 2020

Refference; I live in south-africa my entire life and was born here in the free state bloemfontein before moving to worcester western cape and then to Cape Town 165.73.190.133 (talk) 09:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The currently cited source is some recipe site and so is far from being an ideal source. However, could you point to a source we could cite for this new information? – Thjarkur (talk) 09:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021
Remove Belgium in "regional varieties" from the "France, Italy,..." entry and add it to the Netherlands, as Belgium has the same Pancake-customs as the Netherlands, and does not eat the very thin crepes variety. 80.236.249.95 (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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Merger proposal
I propose to merge Banana pancakes into Pancake. The content is a clear subset of the Pancake article and other types of pancakes do not have their own articles. Kstern (talk) 18:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable to me. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good idea, User:Kstern. Doug Weller  talk 19:32, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

What is a banana pancake? It sounds like something that could potentially be merged into the pancake category. LCD07 (talk) 23:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge Makes complete sense as they are pancakes with banana slices added. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per above rationale. Doesn't warrant having its own separate article. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 04:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I've closed this as merge, and redirected banana pancakes to here, but I'm not sure that there's much material from the article that should be brought here without giving banana pancakes an undue emphasis over, say, blueberry pancakes. Feel free to merge as you see fit though. Bestagon ⬡ 16:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, banana pancakes are not pancakes with a topping of banana slices, like blueberries. In Uganda the sweet and slightly sour black plantain banana's are minced and made to a dough with cassave flour and salt and sometimes milk. Thick slices of 1 x 10 cm. are fried in oil and served as kabalagala's for breakfast and as streetfood. A (district of the city of Kampala is named after the pancake, the pancake bakers were there first. Sad that I can't add this to the article, because of the protection. Qabol (talk) 16:17, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

"The Japanese have also created a soufflé-style cooked-in rings-pancake"
This is a terribly awkward and grammatically incorrect sentence, and would read much more clearly if worded and punctuated differently. "Rings-pancake" is particularly confusing in this context. Saschug (talk) 16:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation of naleśnik.
The word naleśnik really isn't pronounce dnaleshnik, please someone drop, or change it to IPA: /naˈlɛɕ.ɲik/ (or in phonefiv transcription, as it is supposed to be pronunciation. Iacobus8 (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Illustration problem
The illustration opposite the Scotland paragraph is incorrectly labelled. There are two items in the picture, a small round brown object, and a large round folded object with a puckered top. These are described as "Pancake and fruit crumpet". I'm not sure which is intended to be which; there appears to be fruit on the larger object, but neither is a characteristic example of what is usually known in Britain as a "pancake" (though the smaller could be a Scotch pancake, or an upside-down crumpet), nor does the larger object fit either of the descriptions. In my view the legend should read "Scotch pancake and Staffordshire oatcake". Deipnosophista (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Archaeological evidence
The first paragraph says that archeological evidence suggests that pancakes were probably the earliest cereal food eaten by humans. It would be good if the article could be a bit more detailed on how this evidence was found. Vorbee (talk) 10:08, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

It would also be good if it specified which evidence Jenny Everywhere (talk) 16:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2021
I think this page could do with a hatnote for the redirect from hotcakes, to link to the other (non primary) pages about Hotcakes. - Something like the below inserted near the top with the other hatnotes:

Cheers 91.125.195.189 (talk) 09:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lemonaka (talk) 11:06, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2023
Origin of pancake is talakaur, Yamuna Nagar 2405:201:4032:48B7:64FB:A44E:727E:8AD2 (talk) 08:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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