Talk:Panchira

Worthless without pics
This article is worthless without pics!! :-P  Cyde Weys  23:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you offering to take some GFDL photos? --Malthusian (talk) 03:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

lol perversion --Alexie 05:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, there might be some validity to the request: What constitutes a panchira? How is it usually depicted? What is the level of exposure? And just on a personal note, I think every article should have a picture. 24.126.199.129 10:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Amongst my group of knucklehead high school friends in Oklahoma we called this a rutabaga. It was easy for us to shout across the classroom and you'd see 3-5 heads pop up to scan the room.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jawz101 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Merge Suggestion
It has been suggested that the article Panchira be merged into Upskirt. Personally, I agree: it's unnecessary to have a separate article for a term when it can simply go under a subheading… If anyone else has an opinion on this, it would be much appreciated if they stated it. Depending on what the majority (or only) opinion is within the next month or so, the merge suggestion should be executed and/or removed. 24.126.199.129 10:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's good enough to have it's own article. It's developed it's own sub-culture specific to anime and manga (and beyond, as well), and there's definitely enough information out there to maintain this as separate. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  23:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Panty shots are a recurring joke in anime. Upskirt is mostly a type of porn. I don't think they should be merged.81.178.70.106 18:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Upskirts and Pantyshots are different. Upskirting is vouyeristic, while pantyshots are a form of fanservice.

- I think is not a good idea to merge Panchira with Upskirt. Panchira is more in the japanese context (anime, manga, japanese heroines' films with short skirts, japanese video games like dead or alive). It is a japanese word like Ecchi or Hentai

In the other hand, I´m not sure that panchira and upskirt are exactly the same.
 * Panchira is with panties, and with upskirt it is no necessary panties, it´s possible that there aren´t panties under the skirt.
 * Panchira is only vouyeristic, with upskirt it isn´t necessary, It can mean showing. A girl shows what she has under her skirt.

--Migang2g 14:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I was shown a reference recently that suggests whale tails can be counted as a form of panchira. Don't have a reliable cite at present but if I find one I'll provide it. 81.178.213.71 (talk) 17:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Zatch Bell!? A panchira show?
How excatly is this show panchira? I've seen many episodes of it and I haven't recognized and panchira of some sort. Can anyone give me some examples of the panchira in the show before I remove it from the list? --Coconutfred73 05:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Panchira in Japanese pop culture
The development of panchira in Japanese popular culture has been analyzed by numerous writers, both Western and Japanese. Many observers trace the beginnings of the phenonemon to the 1960s, although at least one published source confirms that a lingerie "subculture" had been established during the early Showa era. Largely based around fetishistic photography, this early variant was considered socially unacceptable due the return to traditional Japanese values that took place throughout the 1930s. Strong anti-Western sentiment hastened the subculture's disappearance during the interwar period, as anything suggestive of Western sexual attitudes was regarded as degenerate(Botting et al, p 16).

Most sources agree that the overt Westernization of Japan following World War Two played a key role in the return of a "panchira subculture". Ideas, fashions and visual media previously unavailable could now be accessed by the local population, leading to a slight relaxing of earlier taboos. Western-style clothing (including women's underwear) gained popularity in the post-war, reinforced through numerous media outlets - magazines, newspapers, films, journals, and comics.

It is significant to note that panchira re-emerged in what was considered a juvenile medium. Aihara and Takekuma in Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga describe the 'evolution' of panchira from the mid-1940s, starting with Machiko Hasegawa's Sazae-san:


 * ... why did pantyflashing enjoy such success in shounen manga that it surpassed even total nudity in popularity - for no apparent reason? The answer lies in "panty evolution" ... pantyflashing has been around for a while - as far back as Wakame of Sazae-san, for example. She was always pantyflashing!



Aihara and Takekuma go on to state that while Wakame's depiction contained no sexual connotations per se, the adoption of the visual convention by later generations of artists led to the sexualization of girls/women's underwear in modern manga. This is indirectly confirmed by Kris Millegan in "Sex in Manga", when he writes that "Japanese comics did not seriously begin exploring erotic themes until the sixties...", stating that boy's comics (Shonen manga) began exploring 'cute' sexual imagery composed mainly of panty-shots and shower scenes.

Midnight68 (talk) 02:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

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