Talk:Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division

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Mughalsarai Junction holds most stoppage of Rajdhani express in India.
The article has the following statement. It needs to be reworded so that it makes sense in proper English. Does anyone know what it is supposed to mean? If yes, are there any reliable sources that would support it?
 * Mughalsarai Junction holds most stoppage of Rajdhani express in India.

In English a "stoppage" can mean: -- Toddy1 (talk) 10:10, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) an instance of movement, activity, or supply stopping or being stopped. For example, "a power stoppage".
 * 2) a blockage in a narrow passage, such as the barrel of a gun. For example, "one machine-gun crew had a stoppage".

Requested move 1 July 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved The arguments here are basically the same as many of Anubhavklal's other requested moves (including the related Talk:Mughalsarai), which have attracted significantly more opposition than the one comment in this one. Relisting would likely just result in the same arguments being restated here. (closed by non-admin page mover)  * Pppery * it has begun...  01:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Mughalsarai railway division → Pandit Deendayal Upadhyaya railway division – common use after name change. Obvious reason. Anubhavklal (talk) 17:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose : News sources for the time frame 1 July 2018 (after name change) to 1 July 2023 on "Mughalsarai railway division" using quotes gets me 3 hits, while "Pandit Deendayal Upadhyaya railway division" gets me ZERO. Same for books 3 vs ZERO. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 16 July 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. While editors disputed the interpretation of usage in sources, consensus overall is to move, consistent with the result of Talk:Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction railway station. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 04:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Mughalsarai railway division → Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division – common usage is new name. Refer links below Anubhavklal (talk) 11:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 19:05, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/patna/13-wagons-of-goods-train-derail-rail-traffic-disrupted/articleshow/98194270.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/patna-news/junior-railway-engineer-dies-after-getting-shot-during-wedding-ceremony-in-bhojpur-101675758059206.html

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/in-bihar-several-trains-delayed-due-to-dense-fog/articleshow/96695723.cms Anubhavklal (talk) 11:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * '''Note that the above links do not support preferred target "Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division" in quotes but "Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division"


 * Oppose - Back to back RM requests, not even a month has passed. Using various iterations of the word pandit to somehow game the system to move it. Looks bad faith to me. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Modified the request to mention full word Pandit. But as per common name usage guidelines, perhaps Pt. Is more commonly used in news articles. I am ok with either. Whatever the consensus, it should be fine. Anubhavklal (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose (again) : After the target change by User:Anubhavklal again here. Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division was almost the same move target like the above that resulted in no consensus. This is the reason why I think you are trying to game the system by frequently changing the target pages, bad faith editing IMO. You did the same thing when you moved the pages unilaterally using different iterations of the word Pandi and Deendayal, even after being reverted and warned. I've to ping a non-involved admin to see this behavior. please have a look at this.
 * Coming to sources — News sources for the time frame 1 July 2018 (after name change) to 1 July 2023 on "Mughalsarai railway division" using quotes gets me 3 hits, while "Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division" gets me ONE. Same for books 3 vs ONE. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * your search is counting one, while I have already given three links in my earlier message. Let the other users comments and the admin decide. I do not want to engage with you in any further debate as it is not desirable here Anubhavklal (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Your '3 links' supported the "Pt. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division" (before you changed that here) not "Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya railway division", for the latter I got only ONE. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support : With the discussion and move of Mughalsarai Junction to Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction railway station, it is pretty much pointless now to keep archaic name of related pages. Here specifically the railway divison is a government entity that has already been renamed years ago– Mughalsarai railway divison doesn't exist anymore, it hasn't existed for years. Also if you search news article it will definitely have a bias towards older name but that is no reason to delay the inevitable move of the page. –JayB91 (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Support: Official name but do keep the old name in the lead to bypass people that may oppose it, if it is not yet the common name. Fayninja (talk) 08:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. The previous RM was closed procedurally because this proposal risked duplicating the more active RM discussions at Talk:Mughalsarai and Talk:Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction railway station. Those discussions have since closed (with the result that the Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction railway station article was moved to its current title). Because the previous RM here was closed for reasons unrelated to the merits of the proposal, and circumstances have meaningfully changed since that closure occurred, I don't see any reason to question the nominator's motives here.As for this proposal itself, I support it, as it would make the title WP:CONSISTENT with Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction railway station. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Disclosure: I was the closer of the Pandit Deen Dayal Upadhyaya Junction railway station RM. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * relisting comment in light of previous RM, the comments here make good argument, so I have relisted the RM to get further input. The proposer, User:Anubhavklal, has been blocked for a month for disruptive editing. But as this is RM was not initiated by a sock of sockmaster, the block is immaterial to this RM. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Waiting for an uninvolved editor to close this move request Anubhavklal (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2023 (UTC)