Talk:Paneuropean Union

Members
I searched for "Abert Einstein" "paneuropean union" with google. The only thing that didn't seem copied from The paueuropean union website, suggests that Einstein wasn't a member at all, that he was one of many intellectuals in correspondence with the union: .doc file HTML version I can't say I can consider the paneuropean union as a reliable source for who's been a member, they have an interest in perhaps exaggerating things a bit. --Lijnema 23:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it seems that the only source for all pages in a Google Search are the Paneuropa-Union websites, some Artentinian personal sites and the German Wikipedia, whose source is also paneuropa.org. I hid the Einstein comment until somebody explains what kind of relationship he actually had with the organisation, whether real membership or only a supporter of the idea.

But, was it not enough to have agreed with the idea in those early times to be considered a member? Was there a legal international corporation already to be a legal member of? Would it be a good idea to call all of them "known members or supporters" instead of only "members", for people not to discuss the accuracy of the webstite's information?. If not, I think this discussion will never end, with people asking for more proof on this or the other real membership, until the membership section is completely hidden or deleted, which will not be helpful for the article readers... Max-hu 19:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it would be a good idea to remove all "famous members", because there's nothing to back up that they were members or in even agreed with the ideas of the Paneuropean Union. If there are no sources to back it up, then it shouldn't be on Wikipedia. --Lijnema 21:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Flag
I'm pretty sure the Pan-European Union Flag has always featured the ring of stars. It has since at least 2005, not sure when it would have changed though. The ring of stars one is the one currently in use by the Coudenhove-Kalergi Society (see here http://www.coudenhove-kalergi-society.eu/) and Pan-European Union web page (see here http://www.international-paneuropean-union.eu/). --Fallout11 21:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope, the original designed by Kalergi didn't feature any stars, they were added later. By his own words 86.176.145.250 (talk) 23:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

needs citations
This entire article is full of conjecture without anything to back it up. For example:

"Grounded in liberal values, the Paneuropean Union was considered staunchly anti-communist from its inception and especially during the Cold War. For this reason, the organisation was much reviled by the communist regimes of the Eastern Bloc. The organisation became renowned for its role in organising the Pan-European Picnic, an important event during the Revolutions of 1989."

I added a [citation needed].


 * I am completely inclined to agree. It is suggested that Engelbert Dollfuss was the president of the International Paneuropean Union in Anita Prettenthaler-Ziegerhofer's article "Richard Nikolaus Coudenhove-Kalergi, Founder of the Pan-European Union, and the Birth of New Europe". Even if this is not true, Coudenhove-Kalergi was influenced significantly by a post-war Catholic conservatism still rooted in Legitimist thought, and included such members as Otto von Habsburg. The idea that the IPU was fundamentally liberal is completely absurd. --Horarum 12:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)