Talk:Pantone 448 C

Also known as "opaque couché"?
I have added that it is also known as "opaque couché", but I do not know where to find an authoritative source. It is not given on the Pantone page I have, however, not too many doubts, as so many reputable papers, including the sources already referred to, give this name. All the same, if someone knows where this name comes from, it would be good to have that information. — PJTraill (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * On further investigation I must admit to growing doubt, as opaque couché appears to me to mean simply coated or layered opaque, which sounds like a qualifier for the effect of a colour or the way of using a colour, rather than a colour in its own right. Searching for "opaque couché" unfortunately gives mainly results about 448C, rather than explaining it as a technical term, but Google Books Illustrator CS3 pour PC/MAC (in French) comes up, saying:
 * En France, les nuanciers Patone sont très utilisé. Il en existe trois: ¿In France, the Pantone effects are much used. There are three:?
 * Pantone opaque couché – Donne l’effet de l’impression sur papier couché — ¿Gives the effect of printing on coated paper.?
 * Pantone opaque non couché – Donne l’effet de l’impression sur papier non couché — ¿Gives the effect of printing on uncoated paper.?
 * Pantone quadri couché – Donne directement les composants CMJN de la couleur Pantone. La couleur n’est pas mémorisée en tant que Pantone. — ¿Gives directly the CMY? components of the Pantone colour, which is only saved in Pantone.?
 * This reinforces my impression that opaque couché is not really a colour.
 * If the term is incorrect, since the assertion is so widespread, it should be properly explained in the article.
 * — PJTraill (talk) 14:04, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have returned to this subject and flagged the assertion with “citation needed”. I also noted that several newspapers curiously provide images of incorrect colour. I have also mailed Victoria Parr (involved with the market research) to ask if she can shed light on the alleged synonymity.
 * — PJTraill (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * — PJTraill (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree, this looks like a simple error that has been propagated by multiple reliable sources. While we normally defer to WP:RS, I can't see that we should do so in the case of this kind of (presumed) error. -- The Anome (talk) 14:21, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I have now added an explanation, namely that the colour is found in the "PANTONE solid coated" swatch library for Adobe Illustrator, which library is known as "PANTONE opaque couché" in French. I have also been more categorical about this being an error — PJTraill (talk) 21:46, 3 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It's frustrating to not be able to find a source for such a bold claim to be the most ugly colour in the world. I can't find the report, what science if any was applied and whether there was any real statistical relevance. Yet this myth persists.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.167.229.98 (talk) 04:44, 8 April 2019 (UTC)