Talk:Panty fetishism

missing something
What about men who like to wear panties? I'd figure that would count in this subject to.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Other fetishes involving panties that are currently not included: Panty Stuffing (Oral, Anal, Vaginal), Pissing in Panties (big in Japan)

Things involving panties that may be up for debate on whether it classifies as fetishism: Panty Raids, Upskirt photography/voyerism

Tone
The tone of this article is a bit strange. Can someone make it sound more encyclopedia-like?
 * Agreed -- I think the problematic parts are from an addition in June. it looks odd, and sounds like speculation/original research. It's unlikely that the fourth paragraph in particular is verifiable. I've moved it here pending citing of sources. &mdash; Matt Crypto 00:48, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Moved from article:
Those affected regard the panties (knickers in the UK) as the primary sex object, and the female sex organs as merely secondary. The panties become the central source of desire, and fetishists frequently amass huge collections of used panties. Washing lines are a common source of supply, because it is essential that the items should have been worn. The connection between the wearer and the panties is important, but not essential - it is for this reason that the garments stolen from washing lines are almost invariably taken by men who have personal knowledge of their owner. Some psychologists say that the ownership of the panties gives the fetishist the sensation of control over their original owner.

There is an age-association broadly in line with normal sexual age-associations, though as mentioned below schoolgirl panties are particularly prized. It is by no means unusual for a mother to find her young daughter's panties have disappeared from the washing line overnight, usually taken by a local male, frequently middle-aged, who has seen the daughter on her way to or from school. White cotton panties, worn by many schoolgirls, are a particular favorite.

One step up from used panties for serious fetishists are soiled panties, and here the washing line is of little use. Supplies of soiled panties are limited, and those wishing to acquire them usually resort to petty break-ins. Again, the target household is likely to include girls of school age, and the thief will frequently raid only the upstairs of the premises, looking for panties stained with bodily fluids, whether it be vaginal secretions, urine or blood.

Having got them home, he will smell the panties, probably holding them against his face, which is important in establishing the psychological link between the original wearer and the fetishist. The next stage normally involves masturbation, and ejaculation onto one pair of panties, frequently while sniffing or even facially wearing a second pair. The all-important mental link between the panties and their true owner will usually be present, and the fetishist will imagine as he masturbates that he is actually ejaculating over the panties as if they were still being worn by the real owner, probably still in her school uniform.

"I actually think this well written but it needs to be sourced like to here http://www.lolitron.org/2007/03/16/japanese-police-busts-panty-thief/ or here http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=91

The Photo
Do we really need the picture? Surely a visual aid isn't entirely necessary...

In particular, this picture doesn't illustrate anything that a description of it doesn't. I'm taking it out- however, pictures in general could be helpful in describing other topics, like panty-flashes and up-skirt voyerism. Stuff like that. Lotusduck 21:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hear hear (though I'm not sure we need photos of pantyflashes or upskirt voyeurism tbh) The Land 22:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

That's probably true. We could use sections on them though Lotusduck 22:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's called porn. Let's delete it. Æåm Fætsøn (talk) 09:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

merge
I say yes! Let the merging begin, that's what I say. Lotusduck 23:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Let me be blunt about the quality of this article
As the subject says, I'll be blunt: at least the last three paragraphs should be outright deleted. Who writes this shit? There are neither citations nor references (likely because they couldn't be found). What is there: a display of a poor grasp of the nuances of well-honed English grammar and composition. Bottom line: I felt like I was reading a panty-fetishist's fan fiction piece. I'm sorry, but talking about what someone is supposedly going to do with a pair of panties when they get them DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A WELL WRITTEN OR INFORMED ENCYCLOPEDIA ARTICLE.

Furthermore, the lack of balance between standard panty fetish and this Japanese variant is misguided. Quite likely, the reason that there have been nominations for mergers stems from the poor balance between the two subjects -- yeah, I would be motivated to merge an article too if the general portion contained a paragraph, and the discussion of an offshoot had seven or eight paragraphs. But this is a function of some highly biased work, and nothing more. The general section needs to be buffed up.

I can't believe I just wasted my valuable time critiquing this piece of shit. Good luck. Maybe someone will read this and say: hey, that's not a bad idea. I know the wikipedia motto is "Be bold", but I'm not going to touch this shit with a ten foot pole, because, quite frankly, I don't have the time to monitor what I'm sure will be the revisions of 1,000 masturbating Japanese panty-fan boys. However, if anyone does have the mental acumen and the time to properly cut a huge chunk of this shit-o-rama spectacular and add some actual, well-founded information (an INFORMED and TEXTBOOK REFERENCING discussion of the psychological aspects perhaps; a historical section would also be nice) then please go ahead and do so.

Again Good luck. This article and you the future editor both will need it.

I don't think someone who uses the word shit over and over is qualified to discuss writing standards.

japan panty fetish
this article doesnt say anything bout how the japanese are particulaly known for the panty fetish. how the have Burusera Angelofdeath275 06:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Burusera is beyond the scope of panty fetishism, so I wrote an independent article burusera.
 * Wetfinder (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Link to Sex object page
This links to a disambiguation page. Can it be agreed upon to which article this should link? I think the nearest match would be Sex toy. Robotman1974 18:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm new to Wikipedia but I would think a link to a page showing the fetish being exploited would be accurate.

merge to List of fetishes?
This article doesn't contain a greate deal of information, it maybe better served a section of a larger article. --Honeymane Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam 20:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Citation tagging and waiting
I support a total blanking on all un-cited material, meaning everything other than "Prevalence of panty fetishism" The rest is opinion, original research and sort of bad writing. Who is with me?Lotusduck 05:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Here we go: "Those affected regard the panties (knickers in the UK) as a sex object and the female sex organs as another. The panties become a central source of desire, and fetishists frequently amass large collections of panties.  They can be used or unused, depending on the individual's preference. The connection between the wearer and the panties is important and can be essential. This is not always the case, but it often is.

Usually, the fetishist will first look at them, touch them, imagine the woman wearing them, etc. The next stage normally involves masturbation, and ejaculation onto one pair of panties, often while sniffing or even wearing a second pair. The mental link between the panties and their true owner will usually be present, and the fetishist will imagine as he masturbates that he is with the owner, either having sex or ejaculating over the panties as they are worn.

There is another form of what may be considered a panty fetish which involves no sexual desire. This is expressed as the desire or need for a male to wear panties. The vast majority of these men wear panties for differing reasons. Most find panties are more comfortable to wear compared to typical male briefs or boxers. They also enjoy the variety of styles and fabrics available. Others may use them as a method to express their softer or "feminine" side. They do not necessarily see them as sexual objects, but simply as another form of clothing. Some men may also wear panties and other female attire in cross-dressing."

Without attribution this is not worth much. When the facts are re-added with proper attribution they will have to be worded differently to reflect the article cited. I believe this is all for the best. If you disagree at least consider that some of this is probably original research. Lotusduck 08:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

example of webapge
some webpages also sell used panties, should this not be mentioned? 20.08.07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ravage (talk • contribs).

It should be mentioned, but please don't link it...Pressondude (talk) 00:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)