Talk:Panzerlied/Archive 1

Thanks + Index numeration
Hi! I see that a good work was done on this article I started. Thanks. Index numeration is a bit strange. It appear 1.1.1, 1.2.2 , 1.3.3 , ... . Why don't you modify it in 1.1 , 1.2 , 1.3 , ... . Unfortunately I'm not able to do this. Armando82 27 May 2005
 * Actually it looks like this in the contents: "1.n n." It's caused by the sections marking the various verses. If they would have been called "Verse n", it would have looked like "1.n Verse n". Shinobu 21:53, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Translation
Hi, "Voraus den Kameraden," in the 2nd stanza, does rather mean "ahead of our comrades" than "come on comrades". I have corrected the mistake.

Bye. --Senpuu 22:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nicely spotted. I must've misread it as "voraus denn, Kameraden", or something similar. I'm not even sure whether you would say "voraus denn" in German, but to a Dutch ear it sounds like "come on". Just goes to show that one has to be very, very careful when translating. Anyway... thanks! Shinobu 00:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Table?
I think this article might gain in readability if a table or something similar is used to put the original on the left and the translation on the right. Maybe I'll do it myself, but I'll have to lookup wiki table syntax to do it. Shinobu 17:57, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I was just reading this article and thought the same thing, that a side-by-side would make it a lot easier to relate the English to the German - I'd do it myself but I'm not that good with wiki-code. JW 03:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Revision
I stumbled on the page for Deutschlandlied and really liked the format, which makes it easy to see the translation with the lyrics, so I put this page into that format. I didn't add any links or anything, so it could use some, but the format looks a lot better overall. JW (talk) 02:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Translation (again)
I corrected some of the errors in this translation. Spirit is a more literal translation for Sinn than at heart, although it sounds much better. Sperren are not obstacles, but barriers. I actually believe that the dragon's teeth are meant, but that would not be literal. They also are not passed by (literally: wir fahr'n nicht darauf - we drive not upon). Also I moved the third stanza to the end, as it actually is the last one.

[Also, because I am German, please let me state, that I only corrected this, because of it's errors and wikipedia's spirit, and not because I am in any way attracted to Third Reich songs or naziism. This is not the case.] --JPGoelz (talk) 08:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Chilean version and references
The YouTube URL (see the reference list as of 12 September 2009) is invalid; that video clip is no longer online. I wanted to change it - there are plenty of versions on YouTube - but the reference is specifically to the Chilean army's use of the song. What to do? Axel 15:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AxelHarvey (talk • contribs)

Link
i dont wanna mess around in the article heres a link to a singable english version http://ingeb.org/Lieder/obssturm.html      tresckow The Reich was all axis nations not just Germany

Comment: the Reich was a (somewhat expanded) Germany; it certainly did not include Japan, Italy, and other sovereign countries. Axel 16:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AxelHarvey (talk • contribs)

Reich
Translated it as "state", but that is not the kind of word one would use in a song. So should we perhaps use empire instead? Just asking... Shinobu 03:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

nope, not good. i would say realm is more like the real meaning. or just let reich, its known in english. tresckow

Nope, not good either. Reich in English is just an abbreviation of the Third Reich. Although the "Reich" in the song is Germany, it would not be a literal translation, while the general word "Reich" is used. Shinobu 11:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Even though I am not from an english speaking country, I think that Reich is not generally understood as an abbreviated form of 'Third Reich' only. I actually think that the majority of people in most of european countries are aware of the 'Reich' concept in german language and it should then left 'as is' in the translation. MC202zipper82.49.68.146 (talk) 06:28, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Comment
Hello everyone, I have this page on my watch list and have been making changes to the page often if you notice a mistake please contact my YouTube page Sturmscharfürher Conley [I like to make German songs translations in both English and German] or change it yourself, all wrongful changes will be changed back, especially if you don't "Cite" your sources.

- Conley 9-11-13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by KorexPerfection (talk • contribs) 17:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Translation
"Mit Sperren und Minen hält der Gegner uns auf" is wrongly translated, "With obstacles and tanks the foe blocks our path". "Minen" means "mines" not tanks. I have corrected the error. --Forrest Johnson (talk) 08:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Fiddling with the transcription
Hi,

I've tried to adjust the German transcription according to this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEIm3pe5wbA (see two edits). I just wanted to present a third possible edit: "Der Feinde entgegen" instead of "Dem Feinde entgegen", replacing a singular with a plural, as can be heard, or so I think, at approximately exactly 1:10 in the version linked. To my ear, there's a definite "rolling R" between "De..." and "...Feinde", and no " ... mmm ....". I can't find any text version of this, so either mye ear, the choir, or all text versions are wrong. And while we're at it, a fourth, in the final verse: "Dann wird uns der Panzer...." instead of "Dann wird unser Panzer..."; and again from the above version. Both changes would harken back to a more archaic, poetic language, just like "harken". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4610:A:5E:0:0:0:1A53 (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2014 (UTC) Qu'est-ce que vous pensez? 2001:4610:A:5E:0:0:0:1A53 (talk) 18:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Empire in third stanza
This is bordering at nitpicking, but I would suggested to replace "empire" with "country". I would argue that for Germans there hasn't been a clear disctinction between "country" and "empire" as the terms suggest for an English speaker. For German speakers, "country" feels more suitable.

However ... just a suggestion, "empire" works as well.

HagenUK (talk) 18:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Empire requires an emperor, yet the word "Reich" was not changed in Germany when it ceased to be one... and of course, the translation for "kingdom" is literally the one for "king's reich". A rather direct, but somewhat unusual, translation would be "realm". (Or, in many cases especially as a compound, also just "federal". As has been noted, the terms "Reich" and "Bund", federation, are somewhat interchangable in recent German structure.)--2001:A60:1532:1701:2815:664D:6895:6988 (talk) 00:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Translation
The last line of the last stanze (Ein ehernes Grab.) does mean "an iron grave" / "a grave of iron". Ehern is the old expression for "Iron".
 * Thanks! Shinobu 20:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this a standard expression for "honorable grave"? (An anon changed it - I don't want to revert because I think it's more likely that I've missed a standard idiom.) Shinobu 11:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps "steely tomb" would be a better translation of "ehernes Grab"? Raeth28 (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Translation by 81.197.29.180
The user had changed the previous, literal translation but it now has the old mistake with ehernes (!= honourable, Ehre == honour). Yet another translation (also with ehernes mistake) is in an youtube video, with discussion about the semantic.

Btw., Königsbruck (in Saxony) as the location is mentioned here:. The article listed Königsberk (East Prussia). Pavel Vozenilek 00:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Recent edit
Preserving here by providing this link. My rationale was: "Unsourced OR / trivia". K.e.coffman (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits
What happened to all the lyrics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KorexPerfection (talk • contribs) 04:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:NOTLYRICS:
 * Wikipedia is not Lyrics databases. An article about a song should provide information about authorship, date of publication, social impact, and so on. Quotations from a song should be kept to a reasonable length relative to the rest of the article, and used to facilitate discussion, or to illustrate the style; the full text can be put on Wikisource and linked to from the article. Most song lyrics published after 1922 are protected by copyright; any quotation of them must be kept to a minimum, and used for direct commentary or to illustrate some aspect of style. Never link to the lyrics of copyrighted songs unless the linked-to site clearly has the right to distribute the work. See Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources for full discussion.
 * --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:27, 25 August 2018 (UTC)