Talk:Par (score)/Archive 1

Origin
There is litle in this article about the origin of the word "Par" as far as I can see. I'd always thought it meant "Professional Average Result". It does say it is of Latin origin, but perhaps this could be expanded. Also, why are there other terms in this article? Shouldn't birdie, bogey etc. be in their own article? Either that or change the title of the article to "scoring terms in golf".

Merging?
The page no longer just discusses "par" but also many other terms. The page should be merged with the golf page. --Walter Görlitz 23:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I just broke it out from Golf a couple days ago. Maybe we can give it some time to see if it can develop into anything? Ewlyahoocom 05:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact remains, it doesn't discuss only the concept of par in golf, but other concepts related to both par and golf in general. It does not need to have a page of its own. --Walter Görlitz 19:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * for instance see Double eagle (disambiguation) --Walter Görlitz 22:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, you noticed that quickly, I just created the disambig. :)  Well, if you guys decide to keep this article, please update that disambig to point here, and include this link about the odds of getting a double-eagle.  Anyway, yeah, this article doesn't seem to be much of a separate article yet, and maybe it would be best to not split the article off unless there are specific plans for expansion in the near future.  --Interiot 23:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree merge. Abtract 18:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC).

keep --Jum4

Keep but move to Scoring in golf, possibly moving Golf to that page. --Jon Terry 11:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with moving it to Scoring in golf, It would be a much better place for it. Budster650 (talk) 00:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Silly question from a nongolfer...
...but who, exactly, determines how many strokes a hole "should" take? Isn't it subjective? Itub 02:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Guidelines BobbyAFC 03:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed from article
I have removed the following text, because it is purely speculative (dealing with things that are impossible or next to impossible), and presents concepts that are absolutely uncommon in golf vocabulary. There have always been attempts to coin such words (inside and outside Wikipedia), but none have gained any popularity. Kosebamse 05:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Condor
Four-under-par (-4). Also known as a triple-eagle. One of the rarest scores in golf, because it usually requires a hole-in-one on a par-five. The required distance alone makes this score physically impossible for almost all golfers, although on frozen fairways or sharp doglegs (where one could hit over the trees as a shortcut) it is theoretically possible. A condor has never been recorded in a professional tournament. Only a handful of condors have ever been recorded on par-5's, though on holes of par-6 or more (which are rare) a condor is more attainable.

Ostrich
Five-under-par (-5). Also known as a double-condor. The absolute rarest score possible in golf game, because it can only be obtained via a hole-in-one on a par-six. This is currently impossible by any stretch of the imagination due to the sheer distance of a par-six. Similar to a condor, an ostrich has never been recorded in a professional tournament. However, the name was established due to the possiblity of new technology being allowed in professional tournaments such as high-tech golf clubs and balls which allow players to hit the ball even farther than currently possible.


 * No, you shouldn't remove it. Believe it or not, professional golf on tournament courses in the U.S. is not the only golf in the world.  You're taking a very narrow view.  The fact is, that both of these shots, and the VERY rare Pterodactyl have all been recorded. ReignMan (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Snowman
I was always under the impression golfing an eight on a hole is called a snowman (because of the shape of the eight). 76.112.231.25 (talk) 03:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Full Scoring

 * Pterodactyl -6, it's only been done 3 times in history, same hole each time, a double dogleg par 7. ReignMan (talk) 04:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ostrich -5

Condor -4

Albatross -3

Eagle -2

Birdie -1

Par (E) or 0

Bogey 1

Hawk 2

Grouse 3

Turkey 4

Goose 5

Snipe 6

Quail 7

Partridge 8

Vulture 9

Dodo 10

Great Auk 11

Moa (extinct) 12, The creature 'Moa' that is.

Roc 13

Phoenix 14

Archaeopteryx 15

Double Archaeopteryx 16, i've had my fair share of them!

and so on...--FederationKOSOVO (talk) 16:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Same nonsense again
I am removing the same nonsense again (see above). Please stop adding unverifiable speculation. Kosebamse (talk) 13:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Par 2's
I eliminated reference to par 2's. I have never heard of such a hole (other than in miniture golf). If someone can document a par 2, I will added it back to the article. JJ (talk) 15:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Par 7's
I eliminated that statement that par 7's exist in the USA. The USGA does not recognize a par 7, and, further, I know of no par 7's on any course in the US. So, if there's no documentation, I stand by this deletion. JJ (talk) 16:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Birdie...
The story here told about the origin of the term birdie begins "It seems that one day..." Does that mean the story is apocryphal? Kingturtle (talk) 20:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)