Talk:Paradise Lost (2006 film)

proposed deletion
This film was never even released, last I heard they didn't have finishing money. Why would you add a page for a film that doesn't excist? Makes no sense. Schatzberg (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

==Notice: This article lacks WP:A to establish == In my opinion, this article either lacks sufficient Attribution that it satisfies the Notability criteria for, or it may violate the Conflict of interest guideline, or perhaps it is a Copyright violation.

Wikipedia articles must be based on reliable sources to verify any claims of notability. Even though the lack of reliable source attribution in an article is not grounds for deletion in itself, an article with absolutely no sources (or only external links to unreliable ones) suggests to some editors that multiple reliable sources may not, in fact, exist.

Although I am considering tagging this article for deletion according to the Deletion policy, I am nonetheless willing to assist User:, and other recent contributors to this article, to make some constructive improvements to it ... I do not have time to examine this article in depth at the moment, and it may improve over time, in which case this warning was premature.

Please respond on this Discussion page, instead of on my Talk page, in order to avoid fragmenting the conversation.

To better understand why I have used this template, please read Flag templates for deletion warnings ... I realize that some of the expressed possible concerns may not be appropriate in this case. —triwbe (talk) 17:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Editor, this film was shelved due to lack of funds. It doesn't exist, therefore why would you keep something listed that doesn't exist? Schatzberg (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr. E.B., do you have a source for your claims ? If not wait and see. If you are correct then it will not last long, but procedure has to be followed. --triwbe (talk) 18:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sir, my name is Jerome Schatzberg, you simply have me confused with others. I'm in the film business, have been for over 40 years, I know this film doesn't exist. It's only listed on the IMDB...and we know how credible that is? Not too credible. Good luckSchatzberg (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Notab
After waiting no notability has been found for the modified film article. I am therefor restoring the original redirect to the more notable film. Please do not recreate without both discussing here and supplying proper references. --triwbe (talk) 17:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There was another Paradise Lost film in 2006. Shouldn't this page be to distinguish these films? Andral (talk) 16:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No, because disambiguation pages are only used to disambiguate between existing articles. Notability of the other film has not been established so no article for that other film does or can (until there is notability) exist and no disambiguation is required.


 * Here's an example. Johann Sebastian Bach is about the famous musician. Let's say I have a brother who's a complete nobody but is also called Johann Sebastian Bach. If I or anyone else typed the name into Wikipedia, would I expect to arrive at a page saying "Johann Sebastian Bach may refer to the famous musician or may refer to this other person nobody has heard of"? No, I would not.


 * If one reliable source for this other Paradise Lost film can be found (which would be insufficient to establish notability, but might indicate that the film has at least been heard of by the general public) then it could be worth mentioning in the Turistas article that there is another Paradise Lost film from 2006 to prevent confusion on the part of those few readers who might have come across the other film. IMDB doesn't count as a reliable source but a newspaper or entertainment magazine like Empire or Variety would.


 * To be honest, I can't believe so much time is being wasted on this article when nobody has heard of the first film and the other film is, by all accounts, complete rubbish. I don't remember now how I even ended up creating the redirect. Aren't there better things to be doing? GDallimore (Talk) 16:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)