Talk:Paris–Roubaix

DeVlaeminck - Koppenberg
I'm not entirely sure of it, but I think the photo on this page of DeVlaeminck on the cobbles is from the Koppenberg climb in Tour of Flanders. The steep banks on the side of the road are a dead giveaway (at least, to me) and looking off in the distance, the climb seems way too steep to be anything from Roubaix. Plus, all the riders are wearing helmets, which were required in Belgium (before the UCI made them mandatory in 2003), but in not in France, where P-R takes place.

At any rate, I feel like the Paris-Roubaix page should have a muddier picture, or at least one where the cobbles look more atrocious, since that's what the race is known for. This shot of grimacing riders laboring up an ungodly steep climb is out of place here, but would be ideal for the Tour of Flanders page.

-Cosmo http://cyclocosm.blogspot.com

Eternal flame
I don't think the line "Riders who win both races in the same year are guaranteed eternal fame." When 3 riders do not even have pages. Saying it is a great honor might be better.--68.45.76.174 22:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Garin
Maurice Garin was born in Italy, close to Aosta, then migrated to France, but he had the French Citizen just in the December 1901, so the two Paris Roubaix won in the 1896 and 1897 were won by the Italian Maurice Garin.

references:
 * http://www.gazzetta.it/primi_piani/ciclismo/2004/pp_1.0.604816649.shtml
 * http://www.museociclismo.it/corridori/corridore.php?id=7561
 * http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Garin

Intro Paragraph Problem?
Paris-Roubaix doesn't start in Paris at all.. Even one of the subsequent sections says "The 260 km race starts in Compiègne and follows a winding route northwards towards Roubaix, ". Perhaps someone more knowledgeable should fix this?-- Ğavin Ťing  15:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, don't know how I missed that before! Don't forget to be bold in fixing things! Regards, SeveroTC 02:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
The last additions to the article are largely written by me (a non-native speaker) and grammar probably needs to be corrected. Could anyone check it? Tips to improve the article are also welcomed! Regards--Drunt (talk) 23:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Featured article?
The article has developed nicely following the contributions by User:Les woodland and I was wondering if we could improve the article and nominate it as a good article (or featured?). Paris-Roubaix is probably the most famous of the one-day cycling races and it could be interesting to improve the article to meet the requirements of Featured article criteria. In that case, we could even propose this article to be "Today's featured article" (Today's featured article/requests) in April 2009. Wouldn't it be great? Some ideas to improve the article: Regards.--Drunt (talk) 22:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Create Carrefour de l'Abre and Mons-en-Pevele sections.(like the Trouée d'Arenberg one). The french wikipedia has some information about this sectors. The The final cobbles section could also be moved there as Éspace Charles Crupelandt.
 * Include more information about Amis de Paris-Roubaix.
 * Maybe the first image of the article (after the Logo) should be one portraying riders riding on cobblestones to illustrate the subject of the article (or a picture showing cobblestones).
 * Do you have more information about the velodrome and the showers? Isn't it a tradition to take a shower there? The cubicles are named after the riders.
 * I'm wondering if the copyright of old photographs (pre-First World War) is already expired. There is a photograph in the book Paris-Roubaix: A Journey Through Hell of the very first start where you can see J.Fischer and M.Garin. Do you know where we could find it? (or other pictures of the very first races)


 * FANTASTIC ARTICLE! Up to "Good Article," I say.  Let the nomination process begin.  Incredibly well referenced, and chock-full of clearly written information.  --Smilo Don (talk) 01:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. I'm going to nominate it right now. Nosleep  break my slumber 09:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

'Historic' showers
I've removed the reference to "historic" showers. They may be primitive but they're not historic; the track was built after the war. Les woodland (talk) 16:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)les woodland

Changes
Thanks to all for the changes and other improvements to the article. I wrote a lot of it but it's often possible to be too close to your own writing to see its shortcomings. I'm flattered that it was considered good enough to propose as a Good Article. Thanks. Are there any outstanding amendments still to be made? Les woodland (talk) 06:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)les woodland

Garin
hello I was doing research on cycling and I serivano data Roubaix vogliodivi that Maurice Garin, there is a mistake because nationality is Italian. He took French citizenship in 1901 and then ran as the first —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.40.55.159 (talk) 13:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the fully referenced Maurice Garin he took French citizenship in 1892, and thus was French when he won P-R. Chienlit (talk) 14:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the earliest he could become French was at the age of 21. Les woodland (talk) 12:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)les woodland

Easter Sunday
I see someone has written that Vienne and Perez proposed Easter Sunday for their race. They didn't, as is clear from the letter they wrote to Rousseau at Le Vélo. They suggested a different date but it was discarded because it clashed with municipal elections. They could have chosen Easter Sunday instead but it's obvious they didn't because they chose April 19 instead. April 19 wasn't Easter Sunday, as a check on the many websites giving the dates of Easter for the last 200 years will confirm. Easter was two weeks earlier.

As it stands, the "Easter mystery" paragraph starts by saying the first race was on Easter Sunday and ends by saying it wasn't.

The notion of the church service seems to have been a publicity stunt by Victor Breyer. It was he who announced it and he who "cancelled" it. The church was shut that morning. But newspapers don't cancel church services, especially those - if we are to believe the story - organised in dudgeon by protesting clerics. Which leaves you to wonder whether there had ever been a service scheduled in the first place and why there would have been one, given that it wasn't Easter and that Sunday was and still is the general day for sports events in France.

The first time the race was run on Easter Sunday was the following year, but it was Easter that moved and not the race. The race was on the same weekend. It's just possible that the supposed row happened that year instead but I've never found evidence for it. If you have, please do say and give the sources.

I wrote the original entry that has been so much changed. If whoever rewrote it would be kind enough to consider my comments and, if he feels fit, to change the story to meet the facts, I'd be delighted.

Thanks.

Les woodland (talk) 12:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)les woodland


 * Mea culpa. I didn't read it correctly. Sorry. Les woodland (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2011 (UTC)les woodland

the 27 cobbled sectors updated - the 2011 course
As there was the opportunity I was encouraged to update this section. I added the new course map and edited the paragraphs deleting an obsolete section and renumbering the remaining sectors. I hope you dont argue and feel ok with my humble edits. Maxxl2 (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * This sort of detail is suited to a roadbook, not an encyclopaedia, and only relevant for roadbooks in some years. I am being bold and radically cutting it back, retaining sourced anecdotal info about the important sectors, but removing what is no more than notes about grading, length and star ratings which lacked any sentence structure.
 * If exactly the same sectors were ridden every year in the same order with the same gradings and at the same distance gone/to go then the table would be useful, but given that this is not the case, any table will only be recentism, and if it is only applicable to the 20** race, it should be in the article for the 20** race. Kevin McE (talk) 10:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

The dog called Gruson
Hi folks - under "The Wrong Race" section it talks about a dog called Gruson knocking Hinault off his bike, 13km from the finish. In fact, the section of cobbles 13km from the finish passes through the hamlet of Gruson. It's not impossible, I guess, that the dog had the same name has the village, but it seems unlikely. Blather (talk) 08:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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How many times did Hinault ride?
The article currently says that Hinault rode this race three times. In 1981 Bernard Hinault said after winning the race: ... The only other times he rode it were in 1980, when he finished fourth, and in 1982, as the defending champion But...here people make it clear that he rode this race also in 1978 and in 1979, so five times in total...--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 06:51, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Largest winning margin
According to the "other records" section, the largest winning margin was 5'21 from the 1970 edition. According to the page of the 1896 edition, the margin that year was 25'00 --77.167.231.99 (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. 1970 is postwar largest winning margin, so the text was corrected.Rpo.castro (talk) 14:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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Article issues
This is listed as a GA, but I don't think it currently meets the GA standards, as there are significant article issues. The most important ones are: If I were to put this up for GA reassessment now, it would surely fail. But will contact WP:CYCLING to see if anyone wants to work on trying to improve it towards GA standard. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:55, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Lack of sourcing in places, many unsourced sections and lots of unsourced tables
 * Not enough about the history, only 10 years of the race are mentioned (and 8 of those are purely for "controversy" reasons). History section would be better laid out like in Tour de France, with summaries for different time periods
 * Way too many long quotes, violates MOS:QUOTATIONS
 * Comments section seems like WP:TRIVIA, and should maybe be integrated into another section (maybe Course section)