Talk:Park Row Building/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Eddie891 (talk · contribs) 02:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

One... Eddie891 Talk Work 02:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comments
 * " large columns and pilasters; numerous ornamental overhanging balconies; and other ornamentation sculpted by J. Massey Rhind." why do you need the semicolons here? Also, did Rhind sculpt just the 'other ornamentation' or also the overhanging balconies and columns and pilasters
 * the semicolons. I also clarified what Rhind sculpted. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "The Park Row Building was developed by the Park Row Construction Company as an office building" would benefit from a year/era
 * " it was the city's tallest building overall " I don't think 'overall' is needed here?
 * "because there were few comparable skyscrapers," not sure why this would make them review it more harshly?
 * At the time, architectural critics had nothing else with which to compare the building's design. Therefore, it was criticized for its mass. Nowadays, though, it isn't even the tallest on the block, so I suppose it's unimportant now. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "three facades being connected to each other."
 * "This is attributed" by who? (IF everyone, no need to specify)
 * This isn't so much as an attribution from someone, and more of a statement of fact that forced the building to be designed this way. I have fixed this too. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " The Eiffel Tower, which is 1,093 feet (333 m), stands nearly three times as high as the Park Row Building. Philadelphia City Hall was topped out at 548 feet (167 m) in 1894 and was the world's tallest building until the Singer Building was finished in 1908." While interesting, it's unclear to me the benefit this adds, particularly the bit about Philadelphia city hall and the Singer Building
 * Some sources, even Emporis (which is normally accurate), have called the Park Row Building the tallest in the world. However, the Park Row Building never held that record because of Philly's City Hall. Hence, this footnote clarifies that it's the tallest office building. The Singer is mentioned because that was the next building to hold the title of tallest building in NYC. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What is a 'light court'? Is there anywhere you can link?
 * I linked it to courtyard, though there's not really a courtyard at the bottom. Generally, buildings of this era were built with indentations to also allow interior offices to be illuminated. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " The design recalls " to me, 'recalls' is a bit of an odd word to use here, maybe 'imitates' or 'invokes' or something similar? Not a big deal if 'recall' is the best fit
 * I replaced it with "reminiscent". epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "more explicitly echoes" how so? Can you expand on this at all? How is it 'more explicit'? Did the architect cite this?
 * "or sides facing Park Row and Ann Street" do you mean 'of'? I don't understand how 'or' fits in
 * I actually did mean "or", but the average reader doesn't usually see the word "elevations" as meaning "sides". However, "elevation" is the common term for a "side" in architectural contexts. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "The two 3-story towers" spell out three here
 * ✅ They were actually four stories, as mentioned later on. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "Above the end pavilions are a pair of circular four-story towers " are these the same as the 'three-story towers' mentioned elsewhere?
 * Yes. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * should the section titled 'park row' be 'Park Row elevation' for consistency with 'Ann Street and other elevations'?
 * "The northern elevation contained " as in it doesn't now?
 * It does not contain windows anymore. The windows are totally sealed because of the development of the taller 25 Park Row. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "While foundation work was ongoing, a six-story structure on one side of the building was shored up because the party wall for that building was too weak" value to this article?
 * " influencing the depth of the pilings at the Park Row Building" is a (imo unneeded) restatement of "The depth of the piles was influenced by the"
 * "and are longer extant." word missing?
 * " as they quickly became unpopular " do we know why? I get the sense it was because of the Park Row opening but unclear if that's right
 * Your assumption is correct. These types of elevators were superseded by more efficient models. I added that in. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "20,000 passengers per day, or 100,000 per week" is odd because why would elevators need to take days off? 20,000 * 7 = 140,000 by my count. Do we know why they don't match?
 * It was an office building, and at the time, very few people worked there during the weekend. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Images in the section 'Interior spaces' would benefit from a date
 * "Starting in the early 19th century and continuing through the 1920s" so over 120 years?
 * Yes, this is correct. Actually, newspapers had been in the area since the 1830s or 1840s, so the first half of the 19th century. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " due to the presence of City Hall Park west of Park Row" I don't immediately get the connection? Was it because City Hall Park prevented the construction of tall buildings
 * Yes, that is correct. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " was intended as the world's tallest office" -> "to be the world's tallest..."
 * "devise designs for the building" somewhat strange way to phrase it maybe instead "design the building" or "create designs or the building"?
 * "The building was mortgaged for $2.25 million to the Equitable Life Assurance Society in mid-1897." Could fit a bit better elsewhere, chronologically, I think
 * " Ivins was concurrently asked to "retire" from the company in" because construction had started, presumably? Also, why is 'retire' in quotes? To emphasize that it wasn't a choice?
 * Yes, he was forced out. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "opposed the use of concrete floors" do we know why?
 * There was no explanation. I think they were just resistant to using such floors. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " since they served a protective purpose" how so? (also, were the defective arches protective or just the arches?)
 * The arches protected the steelwork, but they didn't necessarily have to be defective. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " actually the tallest office building in the world"
 * note b fits fine in this section ('office use'), not so well in it's other section
 * "When the Park Row Building was completed, a rough estimate of 25,000 people were thought to visit the building each workday" worth clarifying when this estimate was, I think
 * this fact, since it was done before the building was completed. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "newly minted Associated Press." perhaps "recently organized"
 * " with the project being completed by early 1931" -> "and had completed the project by early 1931"?
 * "The building received little modifications" I'm iffy on this myself, but I think it should be 'few modifications" in the given context?
 * ✅ I was going to say that it received small modifications such as what the sentence lists later on. But this works too. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " When Salsedo fell, the anarchists claimed he was thrown, while the police claimed he jumped." so is it definitively established that he was thrown? If not, it wouldn't necessarily be a defenestration
 * I clarified the wording. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Great work as usual, minor subjective comments on prose as usual, image/sourcing cmts to follow, as usual. Cheers -- Eddie891 Talk Work 15:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have addressed all of these. epicgenius (talk)
 * Images look good
 * Sources are reliable
 * Earwigs has a high percent, but it's of a mirror
 * Random spotcheck of sources lines up
 * passing. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * "newly minted Associated Press." perhaps "recently organized"
 * " with the project being completed by early 1931" -> "and had completed the project by early 1931"?
 * "The building received little modifications" I'm iffy on this myself, but I think it should be 'few modifications" in the given context?
 * ✅ I was going to say that it received small modifications such as what the sentence lists later on. But this works too. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * " When Salsedo fell, the anarchists claimed he was thrown, while the police claimed he jumped." so is it definitively established that he was thrown? If not, it wouldn't necessarily be a defenestration
 * I clarified the wording. epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Great work as usual, minor subjective comments on prose as usual, image/sourcing cmts to follow, as usual. Cheers -- Eddie891 Talk Work 15:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have addressed all of these. epicgenius (talk)
 * Images look good
 * Sources are reliable
 * Earwigs has a high percent, but it's of a mirror
 * Random spotcheck of sources lines up
 * passing. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Random spotcheck of sources lines up
 * passing. Eddie891 Talk Work 23:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)