Talk:Parker House (Sea Girt, New Jersey)

Maintenance tag
While I'd ordinarily understand why hotel prices, etc. would raise an eyebrow, The New York Times found this worthy enough to cover. I don't see how this Wikipedia article is plausibly written like an advertisement by writing about the facilities in-detail. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 02:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That same article says By your flawed logic, we should include that too.  It's worthy enough for the Times to cover, right? This is an encyclopedia article not a newspaper. There's a lot of promotion and adverty stuff in there like the tag indicated (and now does again). Please leave the tag until the issues have been resolved. Toddst1 (talk) 05:09, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I do take objection to the characterization of the section as advertising—the prose is entirely sourced independently and it is factual in nature. If you think that there is puffery, then I would ask specificially what you think is phrased non-neutrally, but I really don't think that a mere detailed description of the facilities and the business operations is in any way an advertisement. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 01:44, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This article is WP:NOTHOWTO rent the spaces. The capacities and prices of rentals are somewhere between advertisement and WP:NOTCATALOG and are not at all encyclopedic.
 * Do you have a connection to the place? Toddst1 (talk) 13:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is not presently a guide for how to rent the rooms; no link to the actual place to do so is provided, nor have I tried to ascertain what the room rates are in any year other than 2017 (the very rates which were reported by the NYT). Again, merely stating the price of a room in a given past year is not somehow an advertisement.
 * And, no, I do not have any sort of conflict-of-interest with the establishment. I do not personally know its any of its employees nor any of its owners, nor do I have any financial stake in the success of the Parker House nor anything having to do with this article. I happen to enjoy writing about longtime landmarks (such as the Glen Rock), and I frankly don't appreciate the baseless insinuation that I'm somehow trying to advertise or somehow have a COI here. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 03:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Why do you think pricing is important in an encyclopedia article, then? Toddst1 (talk) 03:46, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Because it provides additional context to the (historical) business operations. The numbers are from 2017; I can't imagine that the room rents then are the same as they are now. —  Red-tailed sock (Red-tailed hawk's nest) 13:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * So you want to keep obsolete rental rates in there. Yeah, that adds a lot of value to the article.  Toddst1 (talk) 16:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding and for your agreement. (I think it's like including the (proposed) toll rates in Antananarivo–Toamasina toll highway and there is a certain encyclopedic value in including these sorts of prices more broadly). I'll remove the tags as such. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 21:18, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My comment was sarcasm and I believe you understood that. I've reverted your WP:POINTy removal of the cleanup tag. Obsolete room rates are useless and have no place in an encyclopedia. Toddst1 (talk) 23:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I had thought your statement was genuine—sarcasm doesn't carry well over text. I'm sorry for misreading you. That being said, I don't quite get why you edited your comment to make a personal attack. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 23:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I've posted a request on WP:3O, since nobody else seems interested in this. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 18:31, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the time to reply here. In light of the substance of the reply, I've removed the maintenance tags from the article. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 02:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Clarification on "building"
I think that the word "building" seems to be pretty self-explanatory. It's a building, inside of which is a business, but the two entities bear the same name. I'm not exactly sure how to word that, but I don't think "building" is wrong here. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 04:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello Red-tailed hawk. I agree it is self-explanatory but...
 * "The Parker House is a building located in Sea Girt, New Jersey, that was built c. 1878."
 * I think the word "building" is redundant. (As are some other words in this first sentence.) A house is a building - it's obvious in context Parker House is a structure, especially as the sentence includes "was built c. 1878." The rest of the lede explains it as a "business establishment" and "a hotel", etc.
 * Even the location (Sea Girt, New Jersey) is not really needed; per MOS:LEADSENTENCE "Use the first sentence of the article to provide relevant information that is already given by the title of the article."
 * Try stripping the sentence right back to something like:
 * Parker House was built c. 1878.
 * then only add any words you deem vitally necessary for readers. JennyOz (talk) 09:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I've made a tweak to the article along some of these lines. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 01:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks much better! JennyOz (talk) 06:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)