Talk:Parliament Hill/Archive 1

The Library of Parliment
I added a paragraph and a photograph about this at the end of the buildings section. It would be nice to see some more specific information about each block (east west center) and the rooms, senate, commons, reading room, etc. driggers 01:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Marijuana the biggest issue?
Under major events it seems as if the biggest thing that happens at parliament is a pot march. I don't know this to be otherwise but it seems quite doubtful  driggers 01:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It does seem kind of odd. Leave the first part about there being a gathering on Parliament on April 20th but maybe remove mention of a march because that doesn't take place on Parliament Hill.--Fmaack 07:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Canadians lying in state
You might want change "Canadians lying in state in the Hall of Honour" to "Canadians lying in state," because in Canada, lying in state can only happen in the Hall of Honour.


 * Do you have a cite for that? I certainly have never heard it. It certainly wouldn't be considered "common knowledge," even if it's true. - Cafemusique 22:30, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I do. In Canada, lying in state happens in the Hall of Honour, according to the RCMP, since they're in charge of state funerals. See the funeral section of the RCMP Ceremonial and Protocol Guide. - SNIyer12 19:19, 29 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Absent other information, I'm not going to revert, but the wording of the sentence is confusing...it is hard to tell if the "usually" still applies to the lying of state or just to the period of national mourning. I still don't understand why the clarification would have to be removed from this article. But as that is a personal preference, I'll wave the white flag and give up. (Oops...that was me...forget that last bit!) - Cafemusique 12:34, 30 May 2005 (UTC)


 * "Usually" refers to both the period of national mourning, as well as the lying in state. SNIyer12 03:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've done some research, and there are other locations for lying in state. I've found information of two occasions where the lying in state took place in the Senate Chamber: Lord Tweedsmuir in 1940 (already included in Wikipedia article, and his bio on the Governor General's web site), and more recently, another governor general, Ray Hnatyshyn in 2002 (Department of Canadian Heritage press release). - Cafemusique 10:55, 26 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Cafemusique, I agree with you about the lying in state in the Senate Chamber. That's only with governors general, because it's their foot guards that carry the casket. Canadian government officials that didn't serve as governor general can only lie in state in the Hall of Honour. - SNIyer12 19:18, 29 May 2005 (UTC)


 * There is also the case of Stanley Knowles, who lay in state in the foyer of the House of Commons. It is not always in the Hall of honour.

Ernest Smokey Smith lay in state in the House of Commons foyer in August of last year. The Hall of Honour is reserved for former Prime Ministers and Governors General as far as I know. At least as far as I can remember from training as a guide at parliament last summer.

9/11 memorial service image
Please do not remove the 9/11 memorial service image. While the rest of the world saw the memorial service at the Washington National Cathedral, Canada saw this service, on Parliament Hill. In the time that has followed, then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has mentioned the service quite often. When U.S. President George W. Bush made his visit to Canada, Prime Minister Paul Martin said that the gathering of 100,000 people made it the largest single vigil there in the nation's capital. -- SNIyer12 17:04, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The image does not comply with Fair use. Jkelly 02:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Sabotage
Is there any credence given to the theory that German saboteurs were responsible for the fire of 1916? Feb 3 1916--SKEpptic 18:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Terrorism
Perhaps it should be noted that the Parliament buildings were the target of a large terrorist plan to try and overthrow stability in Canada by an estremist, terrorist cell. It is very siginifigant, and should be noted.


 * I disagree, trial by media is a shitty idea, and there appears to have been no actual planning towards any assault against Parliament Hill - it was a bunch of immature kids with delusions of grandeur. My last girlfriend used to talk about wanting to hold down Stephen Harper and pee on him (wtf? she had issues), which is probably as much a demonstrable threat as these kids faced.  In any case, in the long history of Parliament Hill, the Toronto Terror kids shouldn't register as a blip. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 00:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Main image
We should really have a vote on which image should be the main image of the Parliament Buildings, since I don't like the idea of people just randomly inserting their own photograph from their trip to Ottawa, every couple of months.

So here I present to you, the candidates. Vote for each one, personally I feel Image 1 is the best image to use, with #2 a distant second, and #3 entirely undesirable. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 00:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Images 1 and 2 are good pictures of Parliament's Centre Block but not of the actual Hill. Image 3 is the only one giving a good overview of the hill, illustrating why the name "Parliament Hill" is fitting, and therefore the only logical one. Incidentally, image 1 is already used in the Centre Block article, where it rightfully belongs. -- P199 06:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Image 2 looks the nicest but P199 has a point. However, I am not Canadian so I won't know too much. I also uploaded an image onto the page - not entirely sure what to caption it (I took it at the entrace to Centre Block); am also not sure if it may belong to the CB article. Chensiyuan 03:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Other Significant incidents
''"Since then there have been a number of significant incidents in the building's history. In 1966 Paul Joseph Chartier killed himself in a Centre Block washroom while preparing to bomb the House of Commons. In 1989 Charles Yacoub hijacked a Greyhound bus and drove it up onto Parliament Hill." '' Wasn't there also an attempt very early on, to blow up one of the blocks (center?) with barrels of gun powder?

Also, didn't someone jump from the peace tower to commit suicide, which is why you are no longer able to go outside at the top of the peace tower (where the flag is?)?

These are just some stories I seem to remember from my childhood, from school/parents/etc.

Tylerschwerdfeger 17:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

"On Parliament Hill"
I hear this expression used with respect to what's happening in the Federal Government by analogy to "Inside the Beltway" for the U.S. Federal Government. Can this be corroborated? --  Denelson83  07:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you're using the right word, what I think you mean is a "Metonymy", but yes, when the media or the general population talks about the Canadian government, they do say "On Parliament Hill","On The Hill" or " (in) Parliament". I doubt the phrase came from from the saying "inside the Beltway". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.226.77.198 (talk) 01:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 14:23, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Parliament Hill → Parliament Hill, Ottawa — "Parliament Hill" should be a dab page to distinguish the Ottawa and London locations: both are equally notable  MapsMan  [  talk  |  cont  ] — 13:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC) 13:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Uhh, let's see. Parliament Hill in Ottawa, site of parliament, Peace Tower, numerous other famous buildings and statues, site of major Canada Day celebrations and other gatherings.  Parliament Hill, London, a popular kite-flying spot with a good view.  Uh, no.  I don't think so. (i.e., Oppose). —   AjaxSmack   07:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose is the London site known outside of London (Say if you're from Aberdeen?) 132.205.99.122 (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to have to oppose as well. I think the site of the government of Canada is much more notable than a popular kite-flying spot.  --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 19:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The site of Canada's seat of government, of historical, political and cultural importance. Also, as stated by other users above, there are many other features that are of significance to Canada. Even if the Parliament Hill in London is well-known, the difference in notability between the two warrants that this article stay at its current title. (No, the two locations are not equally notable.) Mind  matrix  20:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose. While the London site has a bit of historical significance, the Ottawa site is more notable by far. PKT (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The London site's historical significance is in no sense equivalently notable to the location of a G8 nation's primary government building. Oppose. Bearcat (talk) 05:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Comment
Thanks for participating in such a mature debate. It's reassuring that the sum total of human knowledge is in such enlightened hands —  MapsMan  [  talk  |  cont  ] — 19:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you're being sarcastic, but I'm not sure why; the above debate looks mature as far as I can tell. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 04:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Though I find wikipedia has the most disgusting and confusing comment system, I have to point out that it wouldn't be "For thousands of years" That the first nations and traders used the hill as a meeting point, since only one thousand years ago there wasn't even anyone In north or south America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.18.172 (talk) 03:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm curious to know your sources, since I'm not aware of any remotely reputable historian who claims that the First Nations weren't present in North America in 1000 A.D. Bearcat (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)