Talk:Parthian

Change German to English linking
I hope there's an admin who can change the item of the German to English linking to Q86837795 [Parthians] (instead of Q1986139 [Parthian Empire]) --Parthavian (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Concern with self-published source/website
These two sources appear to be self-published and a questionable website supporting said self-published source.


 * Varan Pardi: Parthavname - Das parthisch-mithraistische Narrativ, Druck und Distribution durch epubli, ISBN 9783757540425, Pax, 2023.
 * Piroz: On the Parthian People In: parthava.org. online edition, October 2021.

I believe these sources need to be addressed as to their reliability before being used in this or any other articles. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * apart from that you destroyed my article by adding dead links. That's inacceptable. I'll revert your changes, put these sources again and wait for reliability check. Until then, don't change the article please! --Parthavian (talk) 07:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Kansas Bear is right. I'm sorry, but adding non-WP:RS, self published work is what's destructive here. See WP:SPS and please revert yourself. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I have restored the redirect, changed without discussion or consensus. Parthavian has chosen not to address concerns raised here regarding the self-published status of the source they are using. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The critical sources that are in discussion are just one part of the whole article. Please delete the sources, if they bother you, but why delete the whole article? Furthermore I made the "redo" of your changes because you added a bunch of dead links and wrong formattings... --Parthavian (talk) 09:09, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Parthavian, I'm sorry but I have reverted you too, it doesn't seem like you are taking this seriously. I can't see why "Parthians" should not redirect to the Parthia article, which has a more valuable info and much better sourced, but instead redirect to your newly created article, which is now full of even more non-sourced (probably WP:OR) info and even still contains some of your self-published citations. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Since Parthavian has chosen to ignore my concerns, again, and has instead decided to build the article in their sandbox, I will address other error(s) I have found in "their" article.


 * "It was then decided with the wuzurgan (meaning "the Elders") to appoint Yazdegerd III as the king of the Sasanid Empire."
 * Cited by BOZORGĀN. Nothing in the Bozorgan article mentions Yazdegerd III or him being appointed king.
 * Cited by Pourshariati, page 58. There is nothing on page 58 that says the wuzurgan, or anyone for that matter, appointed Yazdegerd III as king of the Sasanid Empire.
 * Therefore, this sentence is original research.


 * " However, with the historical elevation of Persian language to the state and court language using the new and diacritically extensible Arabic alphabet under the Samanids of the 9th century, it became possible to represent historical designations with a p-sound, so that essential terms such as Persian: پدر‎ or Persian: پنج‎ continued to exist in their traditional pronunciation form."
 * Cited by "See also Rudaki and Firdausi, the first significant poets of the modern Persian language". Not a reference, simply a comment.
 * Therefore, this sentence is original research.


 * "With the change of this tradition - Middle Persian replaced Parthian - and the assumption that the spoken language was still pahlawi, the mistake was made in the Middle Ages that Sasanid Persian was pahlawi." Most likely the 4 sentences preceding this one as well.
 * Cited by Piroz 2021. Fails WP:RS, since this is a website promoting a self-published book.


 * "Today, the term (zaban-e) parsi-ye miyane (Middle Persian) is used predominantly in Iran for Sasanid Persian, and pahlawi and pahlawani are used for Parthian."
 * Cited by Piroz 2021. Fails WP:RS, since this is a website promoting a self-published book.
 * What I have found, so far. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)