Talk:Party of Regions

Name
Is it just me or does "Party of Regions" make no sense in English? It is such a literal translation, as to make the phrase meaningless. "Party of the Regions makes some sense: the idea is that this party draws its support from all the various regions of the Ukraine, instead of just some central locale.  However, "Party of Regions"    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.96.198 (talk) 08:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Party of Regions is it's common name (see WP:COMMON). So what it makes no sence, Obama's Democratic party are also republicans.... —  Mariah-Yulia  • Talk to me!  08:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Centrist
Thanks for creating this article! The article about this major party in UA was missing for too long. I edited an article somewhat and would like to elaborate a little on one point. Before my edit the party was called "centrist". I think it's incorrect to call it so. The centrist party, is the position in the Left-Right politics line. The main political idea of this party since its creation and until recently was its being a pro-Government party and pro-Kuchma party as the article correctly notes. Now, the party is in opposition not because the government is to the left or to the right from this party but because the power in UA changed hands.

Thus, the usual left-right terminology does not apply and using it in the article may be misleading for an unfamiliar reader. The fact that the party's populist rhetoric (also being not particularly left or right wing) appeals to some true sentiments of significant part of population also does not make this party centrist. If the party calls itself centrist, we may have this said in the article but clearly stating that this is simply what the party calls itself rather than this being objective description. Irpen 04:49, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Foundation date
There seems to be a contradiction between the date of foundation in the infobox (26 October 1997) and in the text (created in March 2001). Can someone clarify the correct date? Davewild 21:05, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

From November 21, 2002 till December 7, 2004 Viktor Yanukovych was Prime Minister
Who were the other party's in the coalition? Mariah-Yulia (talk) 00:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Bias editing
There is notable bias i the editing of this page most notably the selective publication of partial information distorting statistical information ad facts.

The Party of Regions had increased their percentage of the vote in 2007. The number of people overall participating in the election was less then in 2006. It is false and misleading to make a comparison and claim that the parties vote was less the before whilst selectively leaving out other facts of information. The following charts show this to be a fact.

If you also look more closely at the results will will noticed that there was a consolidation of Yulia Tymoshenko's vote at the expense of the Socialist Party ad our Ukraine. In fact Our Ukraine lost significantly more votes then Party of Regions but the editors have not mentioned that fact on Our Ukraine's page. Anyone can present a statistic that is not not balanced by real facts or proper statical comparison. Such selective bias editing brings wikipedia into disrepute. Wikipedia is not a partisan pro-Ukrainian Presidential publication. DemocracyWorks (talk) 08:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

By comparison Our Ukraine - People's self defence bloc
More expamples of selective bias editing by a select group of pro-presidential supporters and corrupt Wikipedia admiistrators bringing Wikipedia into disrepute

Our Ukraine-People's Self Defence bloc received 14.16% of the vote, 236964 less votes in 2007 then 2006, representing an overall swing of 0.20%.

The number of votes received by Our Ukraine in 2007 was significantly less the the number of votes received by the Party of Regions. It is interesting that editors o Wiklipedia selectivly highlight false and misleading statistics and do not apply the same policies to there ow supported party. FACT In 2006, 27% of voters supported minor party candidates who did not receive more then the minimum 3% representation threshold. In 2007, only 7% of the electorate supported minor party (Including the socialists) This and the regional distribution results and swing tables indicate that most of Yulia Tymoshenko's support came from a consolidation of the minor party vote in regions where Yulia Tymosheko was already the leading party. BUT of course they do not want to publish this fact preferring instead, aided and abbetted by corrupt admistrators and other editors, push a pro-presidetial partisan bias POV, bringing Wikipedia into international disrepute.

Play the ball and not the man.Italic text


 * OK your right, sorry about that. But PoR still lost votes.... +2.23 of votes = losing 11 seats? shouldn't that be explaned?Mariah-Yulia (talk) 16:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, PoR increased their proportion of the national vote by 2.23% but BYut increased their proportion by far more, so the proportion of support for BYuT's compared to PoR increased, so BYuT gained some seats and PoR lost some. -- Timberframe (talk) 17:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Our Ukraine is bitterly divided
10% of Our Ukraine's represetation tendered their resigation this week February 26, 2008.

There is serious discussio that once Yushshenko can secure more power and support for a return to a Presidetial Authoriratian regime and a possible second term he will dissmiss Yulia Tymochenko and appoint someone of his own chosing. Ukraine can expect fresh early elections later this year

Infobox: Russophile or Pro-Russia?
I have noticed that POR has been highly critical about the Putin-Tymoshenko gas deal. If POR was 100% Pro-Russian shouldn't they have 100% agreed with it (since Russia 100% agreed with it)? I think Russophile describes the party's ideology much better then the very vague Pro-Russia that is currently standing in the infobox. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:10, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The term 'Russophilia' has an air of archaicness, it is rarely used nowadays to indicate pro-Russian positions, so I'd prefer 'Pro-Russia'. --Pan Miacek and his crime-fighting dog ( woof! ) 09:30, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

BYuT and Party of Regions demonstrating together?
According to a picture aviable here supporters of BYuT and Party of Regions are picketing together against the Mayor of Kiev. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Party of Regions newspaper: "Vremya Regionov"
Party of Regions publishes a newspaper called Vremya Regionov (Time of the Regions), I tried to elaborate more on this subject, but I didn't find alot of information; hope you can help me on this.  A.h. king  • Talk to me!  16:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed this; I even couldn't find where the editions in Ukrainian language are. Sort of odd that we have to link to / refer to this as Vremya Regionov, given that Ukrainian is actually the state language, not Russian. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 11:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

International Affiliation
Is there a particular reason for listing United Russia as their international affiliation? IMO just because they have signed a collaboration agreement with UR does not mean we should list them as the PR's 'international affiliation' (usually, international, supranational affiliations like Liberal Internationalist or Socialist International go there). Otherwise, Estonian Centre Party or Finnish Kokoomus might also be said to be 'internationally affiliated' with the United Russia. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 11:53, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Miacek (and his crime-fighting dog). I do like cats more then dogs... —  Mariah-Yulia  • Talk to me!  18:23, 18 October 2010

Ideology and position of the party
Okay, we're in a debate. Let's have it out. There's no debating that they are pro-Russia or regionalist 1 but the issue is if they are a right wing or centrist party. Perhaps we should divide this section to be specific on both fiscal and social levels? I'd say according to the right wing wiki page, they are perfect in regards to economic and religious. In what ways are they left or centrist?

Also, there is debate whether they are statist and patrimonial? The latter is obviously true with recent reforms to empower the executive, and the party's well known ties to oligarchs. --Львівське (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven’t read the Party Program of POR, but I doubt that helping Ukrainian oligarchs (this article is a new stub I created yesterday; help on it is of course welcome!) is a public position and public goal of POR, since most voters of POR are not oligarchs and I presume don't like oligarchs in general... (if so, the must see a doctor soon...718smiley.png). I do think that "hidden Ideology" doesn't belong in the infobox... but in a "Ideology"-section or "Recent issue stances"-section (the wiki-article about Bloc Yulia Tymoshenko has both; I should know I put them there..., read my userpage to find out why Smiley.svg!) where discrepancies between it's acts/behaviour and it's official goals can be pointed out, if well sourced... —  Mariah-Yulia  • Talk to me!  18:16, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I've removed 'conservatism' that a user had added into the infobox as their ideology. First, it is reasonable to expect the EPP-affiliated Our Ukraine and BYuT to represent conservatism in Ukraine, and it seems dubious to label their main opponents as such. Second, it makes no sense to link this supposed conservatism to an article that talks about 'conservatism' read: reactionary/retrograde stuff (see: conservative, Russophile counter-revolution), just like opponents of Perestroika were often labelled 'conservatives'. Hence I've removed this as an unfounded classification. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 18:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Opinion polls - Recentism
Don't you think that the drop in popularity as shown in opinion polls qualifies for WP:Recentism? In my opinion, an encyclopedic article on a political party should restrict itself to electoral results and should exclude their performance in opinion polls, as they can change very quickly and usually don't have that great political impact (compared to elections). In some years, it is not interesting whether the party's opinion poll ratings have risen or dropped in late 2011. Do you agree? Regards --RJFF (talk) 18:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Need a little time to think about that... A 15% drop in 3 years 1 year before new elections and mainly because the party is loosing votes to the Communist Party of Ukraine is in itself noticable. I am not sure yet this info qualifies for WP:NOTSTATSBOOK... —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  19:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Authoritarianism
I don't think authoritarianism should be put in the ideology section, just because some journalist or political analyst says that the party is authoritative, that doesn't mean that the party adopted that ideology because the party didn't announce that publicly.  A.h. king  • Talk to me!  08:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is based on WP:Reliable sources and WP:Neutral Point of View. We don't follow the POV of the Party of Regions. The party doesn't have to announce any ideology publicly, because we rely on independent, third-party sources, e.g. scholars who publish academic studies in professial journals. This is the case here. --RJFF (talk) 12:50, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The first ref is a claim by a Polish state-financed think tank (hardly neutral); the second is no longer accessible, but appears to had been a blog entry. Until we see something more serious than that, such extraordinary statements don't belong in the infobox. Óðinn (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

PS The party itselfs claims "to suport ideals of national unity and responsibility and demonstrated its commitment to open dialogue and political cooperation". I made a note of this in the infobox; because it seems balanced towards the subject of this article to do this. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  19:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NPOV does not mean that we have to follow or present the POV of the subject of the article, i.e. Party of Regions, just to be fair or nice to it. It means that we describe the subject, including the party's ideology, as it is described in neutral, independent, if possible scholarly, sources. If they describe the party as authoritarian, then for Wikipedia it is authoritarian, as Wikipedia always follows reliable sources. Wikipedia is not the place for self-positioning, self-portrayal or self-display. The party has its own website to present itself. --RJFF (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Anti-fascism rally is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER
I just deleted text about an Anti-fascism rally. Because these sort of current events do not belong on Wikipedia per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER; Wikinews does except this sort of entries and I urge the writer of the "Anti-fascism rally"-part to post it there (see more here). —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  16:15, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I incorporated a small part of the text into Protests in Ukraine. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  16:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If the POR is financing rallies/paying thugs, how is that not relevant to the article? surely this information should be int he article in some format as it directly relates to their policy and dealings.--Львівське (говорити) 16:34, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

If you can insert into the article an ref that is not WP:SPECULATION; sure; but I do not foresee Mr. Azarov saying "Yes, my party is paying thugs to beat up people and Skippy the Bush Kangaroo is nothing more then a dear friend of my wife". —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  17:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The POR did officially back the rally - it was their rally. Nothing to dispute there. As for the thugs, it's reported in the news, so it's not just some rumor, it's a valid allegation reported in the media.--Львівське (говорити) 15:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Fun and Games (The Outer Limits) in the Party of Regions parliamentary faction (a.k.a. bulling and bribing?)
I do not think that Ihor Markov is now (because he has an apparent conflict of interest with his former buddies in Party of Regions now) NOTRELIABLE but this and this article might give an correct insight into the current Party of Regions parliamentary faction. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  15:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Pro-Russia?
Is this party still pro-Russia? It dosen't seem like it, judging by their most recent positions, they are in favor of the Ukrainian language being the only official language, they support European integration, and they seem skeptic about Ukraine joining the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, it seems like they have become a pro-European party. Charles Essie (talk) 18:23, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
 * well, i guess in hindsight we can absolutely say they are pro-Russian in terms of their foreign policy. In terms of domestic, they did make Russian an official regional language, if only because making Russian an official state language would cause too much backlash.--Львівське (говорити) 22:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

terrorists
The opening sentence of the article says it's a terrorist group. I know they're certainly not a good political party but that looks like vandalism to me. I would change it but I can't find how long that sentence has been like that and several edits have been made since in the past few months. It's all correct but I really don't think that such statements can be included in an encyclopaedia.--37.182.191.246 (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)--37.182.191.246 (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * it was added today by a vandal, several edits have NOT been made since - ;) --Львівське (говорити) 21:58, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yanukovych impeachment??
Sorry, the Americans, but you obviously did not read the Constitution of Ukraine. Impeachment procedure has not been implemented. A citizen of Ukraine.--77.52.153.185 (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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I removed these because they mess up the layout and interrupt the text. Please reformat into infoboxes or similar sidebar, or present them in a more effective way, but they don't need to cover the width of the page. See MOS:LAYOUT. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:01, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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