Talk:Passenger 57

Goof
Cutter is shown climbing aboard the plane via the nose landing gear bay. That's not possible. The nose gear bay is outside the pressure hull and there is no route into the aircraft from it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.47.205 (talk) 01:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Questionable quote

 * Other notable quotes include Snipes' remark when Rane falls out of the plane is "boo-ya, check-mate on the flipside!"

Was this actually said, or is it just vandalism? I haven't seen the movie in years so I can't remember. Slicing 09:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm watching the DVD now and I've just gone over that scene twice; there is no such statement. (So I'm removing that from the article; but leaving the note here so that we can "track the NACK" (in case some fool puts it back into the article anyone here can see that it's confirmed NOT to be in the movie). The only "notable" quote right after that scene is Cutter's response to the question "Have you disable Rane, yet?" to which he says: "You damn skippy" (whatever that means). JimD 05:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Dubious "Fan" External Links
There's something very spammy about the three links to different "Fan" sites, all with the same display text but leading to different sites for the character of Rane (two of which seem to link to one another, possibly a bit of Google-mandering?)

I've left those alone, but added the one to the canonical Wesley Snipes fan page, for some sort of "balance."


 * I have changed the display text, and removed the wesleysnipes.com link and one of the links to brucesangels.com, which don't really belong here. I'm reluctant to delete relevant content, but I think the removal of these fan site links might be appropriate. Please sign your comments. TheMadBaron 08:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivial Link to Handcuffs
There is a internal link to Wikipedia item handcuffs in the paragraph:

As the passengers are being released, Rane and two of his men make their escape. Cutter overpowers the sheriff's deputies, frees himself from his [handcuffs] and gives chase on a police motorcycle. Meanwhile, a team of FBI agents arrive, headed by Dwight Henderson (Robert Hooks), who angrily informs Chief Biggs of Cutter's true identity.

I think "handcuffs" is a trivial item and should not have a link. Otherwise, we should link almost every word like:

As the passengers are being released, Rane and two of his men make their escape. Cutter overpowers the sheriff's deputies, frees himself from his handcuffs and gives chase on a police motorcycle. Meanwhile, a team of FBI agents arrive, headed by Dwight Henderson (Robert Hooks), who angrily informs Chief Biggs of Cutter's true identity.

It reminds me of when I met someone who had a Bible where every sentence was highlighted in yellow. Therefore, I recommend we do not create trivial links. I also recommend that we remove this trivial link for handcuffs in the said paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.182.160 (talk) 15:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Image of Bruce Payne's and Elizabeth Hurley's Characters
There is a discussion as to whether it is okay to use the image (File:PassengerPayne.jpg)within the article.User:MisterShiney has expressed their concern that it is not. I contend that it is.

The arguments proffered by User:MisterShiney are as follows: firstly, that images are not needed in the plot sections of film articles and secondly, that there may be copyright issues associated with the use of the aforementioned image. I understand the concern voiced by User:MisterShiney but believe that his analysis is flawed. As a consequence, I am of the opinion that it is okay to use the image within the article, and have amended the article to include the image.

I believe that User:MisterShiney's analysis as flawed as although images are not required for all plot sections of film articles on Wikipedia there is no rule forbidding their use. In this particular article, given that the image depicts two major characters in the film, I believe that the article is enhanced by its inclusion and see no reason for dispensing with the image for aesthetic reasons.

With regards to the copyright issues, these are dealt with on the page of the image itself. The fair use and licencing rationales are as follows:


 * No free equivalent exists that would effectively show Bruce Payne portraying Charles Rane and Elizabeth Hurley portraying Sabrina Ritchie.
 * The image does not in any way limit the ability of the copyright owners to market or sell their product.
 * The image is only used once and is rendered in low resolution to avoid piracy.
 * The image has been published outside Wikipedia; see source above.
 * The image meets general Wikipedia content requirements and is encyclopedic.
 * The image meets Wikipedia's media-specific policy.
 * The image has a brief description that identifies the image, notes the source, and provides attribution to the copyright holder.
 * This image is being used not for a commercial nature but for non-profit educational purposes regarding the cast of the film Passenger 57
 * This image is a photograph documenting two actors portrayals of their characters
 * This image is copyright of Warner Brothers Pictures, 1992.
 * Use of the image affects neither its potential market nor its value as it is being used for non-commercial purposes both at the original website and at Wikipedia
 * The actors portrayal of their character is more adequately described with the use of this image.

I note that User:Masem had removed the image in a previous amendment to the article. However, no explanation was given for this action. My view is that in trimming a substantial part of the article User:Masem overlooked the fact that they were also removing an image, the use of which is okay. I therefore see no problem in re-introducing the image to the article.

If anyone has any other thoughts on the use of the image within the article, I trust that you will respond below.

Regards

--Gingerdave (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2012 (GMT)


 * Per WP:NFC any non-free image must not only help the reader to comprehend the article, but also its absence would harm that comprehension. While including the image certainly helps the reader, the lack of it does not - these are live actors, with minimal makeup, in a scene that has no discussion outside of the plot. The reader does not lose any comprehension with the lack of the image, thus making it inappropriate to include.  And yes, I purposely removed the image because of this reason. --M ASEM  (t) 21:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I have only ever seen images like this in articles where it has a particular significance where the scene caused controversy or was culturally significant etc. If you are including images for the sake of including images then it isn't appropriate. I see now additional detail or need in the inclusion of these sort of images in this article or others. MisterShiney  ( Come say hi ) 21:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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