Talk:Past Masters, Volume Two

Request for semi-protection
A non-user is insisting on removing LP info from this article so I'm requesting semi-protection. Steelbeard1 17:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

--It should be considered that on Wikipedia, music releases that were on vinyl but now appear on CDs generally follow the CD track listing, and do not break up the music in sides. That being the case, in the previous version of the article, the track listing was noted on the vinyl configuration. Personally, I don't think Past Masters should be broken up in Sides 1, 2, 3, and 4 because that is not the normal release. berenlazarus
 * The 1980s was the last decade in which albums were widely available on LPs. The 2-LP Past Masters compilation was the final Beatle album released widely on LPs and came out the same time as the early British LPs in the USA were issued on LPs.  Again, Past Masters was issued on LPs and widely available when LPs were sold.  Record stores stopped stocking LPs around 1990. Steelbeard1 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

LP info
It's happening again. This time, Cbing01 is again attempting to remove LP info in this article which I quickly restored. He was warned about it before at User talk:Cbing01 and in Talk:Past Masters, Volume One, but he's doing it again. To give background, the LP info was inserted into the individual Past Masters articles after a proposal for a separate article for the Past Masters double LP was rejected. The compromise solution was to include the LP info in the two Past Masters articles. Steelbeard1 21:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Cbing01 is citing infobox project guidelines per Template:album Infobox. Have you looked at these, or do you believe the earlier concensus regarding the original double lp makes this unnecessary? LessHeard vanU 21:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The earliest known date is of the individual CD releases. The complication is due to the two Past Masters volumes issue as a combined double LP.  This is a situation similar to that with Magical Mystery Tour which were issued in two different configurations on two different dates.  It was first released in the US as an LP with the actually MMT tracks on side one and additional tracks released as singles in 1967 on side two.  It was issued in the UK a few days later as a double EP with the six MMT tracks spread onto four sides of 7" 45 rpm records. The American LP was issued in the UK about a decade later. Steelbeard1 22:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My edit which started the reverts were merely aesthetic and guided by a desire to make the infobox closer to cited guidelines. It is highly distruptive to the collaborative process to simply revert an article because information was moved and not deleted (especially when new information and links have been added). The infobox should not be weighted down by numerous release dates. If there is confusion about why "Side Three" and "Side Four" were removed, that was an oversight on my part, but as a CD release initially and not LP, those minor details should be left out. Cbing01 22:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The fact was it was released as a double LP at a time when LPs were still widely available in 1988 is reason enough to mention the LP sides and to be consistent with the other articles about the official Beatle album catalogue including the 12 original British albums and the Magical Mystery Tour album. It was around 1990 when record stores stopped stocking LPs.  The two Past Masters volumes, whilst not original albums, are the albums which make The Beatles' entire musical output complete. Steelbeard1 22:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Cbing01, in that this infobox setup varies from the desired template owing to a prior discussion relating to the double lp/2 x single lp releases, and attempts to reflect the different releases, are you happy for it to remain as prior to your good faith edit?
 * Steelbeard1, can you in any event strike out your complaint against Cbing01, who evidently edited in good faith, in whatever place it was made?
 * Cbong01, why not join the project? Wiki knowledge is as valuable as subject knowledge. The template is on the top of the page. LessHeard vanU 22:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I would if it was a first-time edit, but he did the same thing last November which was the reason I added the record labels in the articles to prove that the albums were issued in LP form. I own the double LP so I scanned the labels myself. Steelbeard1 00:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yer chooses yer chooses, I guess. LessHeard vanU 21:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Added trident to recorded locations
I've added Trident to the recorded locations; Hey Jude was recorded there.

Apepper 17:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it side one/two or side three/four?
(first two messages copied from user talk)

You're doing a great job with the tweaking, PEJL. I did catch one problem with the Past Masters, Volume Two article. Because the LP version was released as a double LP combined with volume one, the side numbers on the label are side three and side four. The record label photo is included in the article to back up that fact. Steelbeard1 23:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Regarding Past Masters, Volume Two, I noticed that discrepancy, but I don't think the fact that the sides are listed as "3" and "4" on the album necessarily means that we should label them as "Side three" and "Side four" (any more than if they were labelled "X" and "Y" on the album). I think "Side one" is the best way to refer to the first side of Past Masters, Volume Two. Otherwise there wouldn't be a first side of Past Masters, Volume Two, which would be confusing... --PEJL 23:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess for the sake of consistency, we should follow standard Wikipedia formatting. What if we prefaced the track listings saying the LP label says '3' and '4' on the double LP combined with Volume One? Steelbeard1 11:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan. I'll do that now. --PEJL 11:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Past Masters double LP spun off into separate article
Due to issues with the Double LP sleeve in the article Past Masters, Volume One, I have spun off the Past Masters double LP into a separate article titled Past Masters, Volumes One and Two. Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)