Talk:Pastis

French
Pastis is French (as the article points out). Removing references to Greek cuisine and Greek products. Philippe 14:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Merger

 * opposed Although I am an author of the article, I would prefer to be merged into whole section anise-flavoured spirits, not pastis alone. Both spirits are older than pastis and tend to be stronger in abv, plus are consumed neat not in a louched form. Hopefully, a section dealing with all world's anise-flavoured spirits will arise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.11.236.156 (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * opposed I'm not in favor of merging with this Polish anis-flavored vodka. Yes, there are several aniseed-flavoured drinks that share similarities. But, even in France, there is a distinction between pastis and anisette, which, I understand, is made with slightly different plants. David.Monniaux 04:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * opposed These are two completely different alcohols with different cultures behind them as such they should not be merged. They are both anise flavored and have alcohol in them, those are the only similarities., so perhaps they belong as mention in a larger anise-flavored alcohols but certainly they should remain separated as well for more details when someone (perhaps myself) gets to its expansion (I happen to be a pastis drinker).--Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Opposed Agree with the above, if we were to merge we should also merge with anisette, arak, ouzo, and raki which have more in common at face. Scaper8 21:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Opposed There is no link at all between the 2 drinks. It's like merging Wine and Cognac because there made from graps and contains alcohol... Cperroquin 13:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Opposed I do think it would be useful to have an overview article of the whole class of drinks, and in fact I wrote one several years ago at anise-flavored liqueurs, but it was deleted for not having enough information at the time (see old version). But that's a different matter than merging all the articles together. --Delirium 08:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Closing merge proposal with a consensus after two months of no merge--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 13:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

ABV
Every bottle of pastis I've ever seen in France or the UK has been 40% ABV. I can believe that there are stronger versions, but they're certainly not the norm. The article quotes either 40-45% or 45-50%, which is surely incorrect. --Ef80 (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

The published EU definition for pastis specifies a minimum ABV of 40%. The definition for pastis de marseille indicates a minimum ABV of 45%. No maximum is specified in either case. To avoid unnecessary taxes that translate into higher shelf prices, pastis producers tend to bottle at the minimum specified ABV. I don't mind contributing an edit that specifies the minimum ABV and references the EU codex. Vapeur (talk) 00:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Recently bought in Normandy at Carrefour ([link) a bottle of 51 (my favourite brand), at 45%. [[User:JDAWiseman|JDAWiseman]] (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I like 51 too, though it's largely unobtainable in the UK. It's true that it's a bit stronger than some of the better known brands. I've certainly never seen 50% ABV pastis though. --Ef80 (talk) 10:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As stated in the article, the category "pastis de Marseille" is by legal status of minimum 45% ABV; this category includes major brands as Ricard and Pastis 51, therefore it is very unlikely (i mean, impossible) that you never came across in a normal store in France. The law doesn't seem to state a maximum abv, so there is the possibility that there exists (or may exist) pastis more than 45%, however for tax reason there is no incentive to go beyond 45°; in the end the overwhelming vast majority is either 40° (to conform to the minimum legal abv for "pastis") or 45° (to conform to the minimum legal abv for "pastis de Marseille").--Phso2 (talk) 11:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are quite correct. My comment back in 2012 was probably influenced by the Pernod brand, and some awkward phrasing in the article which has now been improved. --Ef80 (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that the liqueur that carries the Pernod name brand is a liqueur d'anise, and not a pastis by legal definition. There are two brands of pastis (to the best of my knowledge) owned by Pernod-Ricard, those being Ricard and Pastis 51.Vapeur (talk) 18:28, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, Pastis 51 is the brand of pastis made by the Pernod company (which also makes the anise liqueur, rather uncommon in France) - the two entities (Ricard and Pernod) are not fully merged and retain some kind of independence.--Phso2 (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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Pronunciation
I'm suspicious of the claims for UK and US pronunciation of 'pastis' in the lead, which are unreferenced. The word is little used in the UK, where the bulk of the (small) market is supplied by Pernod. A pub customer would ask for a 'Pernod and lemonade' or whatever (yes, I know that's disgusting). Anyone who uses the word 'pastis' is likely to be familiar with French culture and will use (an approximation of) the French pronunciation. I can't speak for American pronunciation but suspect the position is similar. --Ef80 (talk) 17:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Several Assertions Not Cited
I'm not great at figuring out when/where to use, when to use , etc. Large portions of this page (the entire second Paragraph in "Composition" - most of the "Serving" section) make claims that are not attributed at all, and I have reason to doubt a few of the claims. Would anyone be able to help me identify where to put these tags?

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 * Any discussion pertaining to specific article content is welcomed here. As such, feel free to express whatever doubts you may have. The second paragraph of the Composition section appears to contain assertions that are self-evident (e.g. bottled alcohol content), others that are prima facie (doesn't typically contain grand wormwood), and some that are likely addressed in references (3-8) from the prior paragraph.Vapeur (talk) 15:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)