Talk:Pat Benatar

All the Bills Up
I don't know if that business is a valid explanation. I worked as a bank teller and we were required to have all bills face the same way and none of us were slow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.50.45.239 (talk) 04:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Dolphin Anthem
Please SOMEONE read the lyrics to 'Hit Me' before going off and claiming it's about dolphins. Cuts down on the odds you'll be branded a fool again.

Had sex with DJ Mike Sorce one time
one time Pat Benetar had sex with Mike Sorce. can we figure out how to add that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.105.239 (talk) 17:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OMG I've had sex with hundreds of people. WHO CARES?
 * agreed, this is thoroughly unprovable and entirely irrelevant. AaronzDad (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree this is relevant info, it is proven, and it deserves inclusion in the people's encyclopedia Joeardingertaintsociety2000 (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If she did it for airplay, or was raped, that's significant. If she did it out of love or lust (i.e the usual reasons), that's probably not significant, unless it contributed to her divorce. If she did it for some other reason, we could discuss and decide here. But until a consensus is reached about significance, it should not be added. Dave Golland (talk) 21:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hell Is For Children
There should be note of the controversy surrounding her fairly uncontroversial song "Hell is for Children". Mike H 03:54, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
 * Indeed this is a significant factor in PB's life and career and certainly needs to be mentioned. It's my understanding she's donated significant proceeds from that song to abused children's causes. -Mike H I hope you don't mind my moving your comment to a new header here. AaronzDad (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I need some help.
I am doing this music project for school, and I am stuck on this. I need to know what insturments are used in the song "Heartbreaker" by Pat Benatar.

You can't be serious?

Gay Icon Project
In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:12, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * She isn't even gay, so how can she be a gay icon? That is totally out of question. I am removing this category unless you give me sufficient reasoning or evidence not to do so. Эйрон Кинни  21:47, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't say the person himself/herself needs to be gay, only be "a celebrity with wide-spread fans from the LGBT community". (Entheta 00:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC))
 * Just incredible that there's so much homophobia on Wikipedia. Is this an encyclopedia or YouTube?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.209.26 (talk) 18:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, according to the definition of "gay icon" given, Pat Benatar fits several of the requirements and needs not be gay herself in order to do that. I saw Pat Benatar live in 2006 there were MANY lesbian fans in attendance. It is the lyrical content of female strength in her songs that apparently prompts her to fit the category. Wicked Little Lady 13:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)(WLL 02/01/2007) I think Pat Benatar's brother was gay. He also passed away a few years ago of natural causes. Pat Benatar has also played a few past Pride events and the Dinah Shore weekend in 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redvsn (talk • contribs) 20:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Get this nonsense out of here. This *IS* an encylopedia, which means we don't need stupid little tags for groups of this that and the other. How about. . .oh, I dunno. . .INFORMATION!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.42 (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Pat Benatar's brother was indeed gay, however, he died from injuries sustained in a car crash. She herself is proud of her gay fans and does an AIDS walk each year to raise money. I attended one of her concerts and she had many gay and lesbian fans in the audience. She says she loves seeing her gay fans dress up the way she did back in the 1980's. While she has a strong lesbian following, her audience is likely bigger among gay men. (11/12/2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.21.191 (talk) 01:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

suggestions
Someone should add in the other band members and the fact that there were no videos filmed for some of her most popular singles.
 * Good idea. I'll add in a bit about the band. Ariochiv 19:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

A lot of songs listed as "singles" were never released as such. Someone needs to delete them. For instance "Precious Time" and "Anxiety (Get Nervous)" were never released or promoted as singles. Videos exist for them because Benatar's label wanted videos for the title songs to her albums to promote selling of the albums. Also, "Temporary Heroes" was a single in some Asian markets, but never in America. Also, "Hell Is For Children" and "Everybody Lay Down" were never singles, but they did get a lot of airplay. To list them as "uncharting singles" is rather misleading.
 * Plus, one honest-to-goodness single was missing from the listings, "Christmas in America". I added that one in. It was available in 2001 as a CD single and made the sales chart, but not the main Hot 100. (It did get to #22 on the Adult Contemporary chart, which might be worth a footnote, because it's a chart with which you normally don't associate Pat Benatar.) I'll do some checking on some of the others. Some of them may have been issued to radio as promos; I know "Temporary Heroes" was because I have that one on a promo 12-inch single. I'll do some more work on this. Cheemo 17:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

American Chopper (The Tuttle Family)
I'm watching American Chopper last night and see a new intro for the program. Is that Pat Benatar?!?!? It sure looks like her. And I swear I heard hear name mentioned, but I was in the kitchen and can't be sure. William (Bill) Bean 15:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm guessing you saw Joan Jett. I don't believe Pat Benatar has ever made an appearance on the show but Jett definitely has. Jen J. 15:13, 3 February 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.230.38.115 (talk)

Pronunciation of birth name
I guess this pronunciation given is wrong. Andrzejewski is NOT pronounced "AN-dree-esk-ee" but rather "AN-jay-evs-kee". "Andrzej" (russian: Andrej, greek: Andreas, english: Andrew, french: André) is pronounced "An-jay" in Polish. -andy 84.149.105.215 09:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Regardless of how the name "is pronouced," Pat's name is pronounced "AN-dray-es-kee." I know this because I asked her and recorded the answer.  SHE pronounces HER name "AN-dray-es-kee."  If you want to pronounce the word differently, that's your prerogative...but I think the woman knows her own name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.209.26 (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Coxon's Army
Just an FYI~ Pat's first album was with a band named:  Coxins Army. She is sitting on top of a piano in a white dress, on the cover. Don't let the media full you, the album is out there. My mom had a copy, as well as the rest of the family. My brother was the keyboardist for her. After 50.000 copies, she had the album pulled. She wanted to be knowen only as a Rocker. Just thought you all might want the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toni darlene (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed, there is info on her IMDB page about this. It was a "cabaret" band in Richmond, Virginia. Someone should check out the IMDB page, verify the information and incorporate it here. Also, someone should get me a beer. 99.140.171.185 (talk) 10:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Relationship with Myron Grombacher
I'm nearly positive Pat had a relationship with drummer Myron Grombacher between her two marriages. Needs to be verified, though. 99.140.171.185 (talk) 10:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Nobody cares. 68.195.119.124 (talk) 22:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Guitar Hero
"In 2007-2008, Pat Benatar single "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" was put into the mix of songs in Guitar Hero 3, in the first tier of songs, with a specialized singer, just for her song, being that the default singer is male." Actually there's a lot of songs in the game with the female singer model, so it's not just for her song at all, I'll remove that bit. 88.97.35.32 (talk) 14:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

possible errors in article
"I received my vinyl LP of 'Best Shots' for Christmas 1985 - 'Wide Awake in Dreamland' I bought around 1986/ 1987 when it was released so some checking needs to be done on the release dates I believe. The cover of my LP differs from that shown on wiki however. AH from the UK." from 86.112.240.180

Wide Awake in Dreamland was released in the fall of 1988. Best Shots was released later (This is obvious since ther are tracks from Dreamland (As well as Seven the Hard Way which was released in 1985) on Best Shots. It is impossible that you received 'Best Shots' for Christmas in 1985. You probably recieved Seven the Hard Way. - RJW

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.201.180.137 (talk) 16:44, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

One of rock's top vocalists?
"...best known for her mezzo-soprano vocal range and establishing herself as one of rock's top vocalists..."

Where to start with this piffle? Best known for her mezzo-soprano vocal range, is she? One of rock's top vocalists? Absolute cobblers. Who wrote this, Pat herself? If she was important enough and not just some singer little known outside America, I could carry on pulling this article apart. But she's not, so I won't. Guv2006 (talk) 11:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * How many top 40 hits have you had? Because Pat had 19. WhakoJacko2009 20:48, 03 March 2011 (AEDT)
 * How about, "One of the top female rock vocalists in the U.S. in the 1980s." She was nominated for a Grammy for "Best Female Rock Performance" eight times in the 80s; that's got to count for something. Over 12 million albums sold from 1979 to 1988, and all her albums released from 1981 to 1991 charted in the UK and Australia. She was also nominated for a Juno Award in 1982 for "Best International Album" for Crimes of Passion. ("Loverboy Tops Nominees For Juno Awards", Billboard, 13 May 1982.—only thing useful I could find with a quick Google search; cite:billboard.com, terms "international sales" and "pat benatar".)
 * One of rock's top vocalists? Absolutely !! How does Guv2006 define a "One of rock's top vocalists" if not by record sales, radio and TV airplay, and concert attendance? 'Cause she had it all in rock's biggest market in 1980s.
 * See below for my comments re "mezzo-soprano". (I don't like it.)
 * Cheers, Rico402 (talk) 11:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Neil a Nazi?
'''I saw the Neil and Pat band tonight, Sat. July 23rd in Indiana. I was amazed when after the third song, Neil stepped up to the mic, did that Hitler salute and said " sieg heil". not everyone heard it. When he did it I looked at the audience behind me, (I was in front). Some in the audience did the salute and said sieg heil back. This led to Neil chuckling and saying "Its great to be back in the Midwest. What I want to know is..... Does Neil think the almost all white audience are such trash that he could make fun of us by pointing out how backward thinking we are, like stupid Nazis? or Is Neil actually a neo-nazi? Bold text''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.111.98 (talk) 04:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You probably shouldn't take everything you see in life so seriously. Doubtful that Neil is trying to start another master race. 68.195.119.124 (talk) 22:32, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I think he was just making a joke about Nazism in the Midwest. -Random Guy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.41.181 (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Benatar not a mezzo-soprano
Initially trained "as a coloratura with plans to attend the Juilliard School", Benatar did not become a classical vocalist. So although she might have become a mezzo-soprano (in the classical sense; see article), in the popular music genres, that is, according to vocal range (excluding falsetto, and screaming or screeching—think Cyndi Lauper and Mariah Carey—she should be classified a soprano (e.g., "We Live for Love"). (See "Vocal categories and ranges for non-classical singers".)

From mezzo-soprano: "extending from the A below middle C to the A two octaves above" (the 1st line above the treble staff). Heck, I'm a dude and I could hit that A when I was in high school. (The highest I ever had to go and I really had to push the ol' diaphragm to nail it.)

Cheers, Rico402 (talk) 10:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * One doesn't "become" a Mezzo-Soprano; one is born a Mezzo-Soprano. That is their given vocal type.


 * Mezzo-Sopranos indeed exist in the contemporary music world. Classification of such is not solely due to their perceived range, but also their timbre and vocal weight, as well as one very important characteristic: the area in which their voice naturally resonates the strongest.  For Sopranos, it's their head, resulting in a tone that is of light weight, and is bright and ringing.  For Mezzos, it's the chest, resulting in a deeper, somewhat weightier and more mellow tone, while their highest notes sound weaker.  Their ability to sing higher or lower notes is simply the exhibition of their extension; that is, notes that are beyond their natural range and tone, yet are attainable with their technique and skill (though some use improper techniques to hit them).  To classify a woman as a Soprano when she actually has the tone and resonance of a Mezzo is erroneous.  Common sense must be used.  The Italian definition of Mezzo is "half" or "middle."  That means that she is not a full Soprano, but half a Soprano.


 * Yes, the classification of contemporary vocalists has been repeatedly stated here on Wikipedia to be more loosely applied to only the range of notes in which they sing, but their tone and resonance range must be taken into account. The late Whitney Houston, for example, was properly classified as a Mezzo-Soprano because of her deeper chest tone and her weaker head register.  Yes, she could hit some Soprano notes (listen to the key change at the end of "Love Will Save the Day," where she was able to hit G5, the approximate middle of the Soprano range; hence the definition of Mezzo being "middle" or "half"), but they were weaker and more shrill than that of a true Soprano.  Quite frankly, she sounded as though she were pushing or straining; no amount of technique can change the fact that her head register was weaker.  Therefore, she was technically a Mezzo-Soprano because of this and was widely acknowledged as such.


 * In Pat Benatar's case, I have not scrutinized her voice as much as other vocalists, but she appears (in my opinion) to have a deeper tone that resonates better in her chest than her head. Therefore, she would indeed be a Mezzo-Soprano.FreeSpirit80 (talk) 05:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Neil Giraldo
Should he have his own Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.132.18 (talk) 08:21, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely, this is incredibly stupid, he's not Pat Benatar.75.79.149.13 (talk) 21:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, he still needs one. The whole section about her band needs to be shortened to a few sentences. 2601:241:8102:221C:9C19:6EA9:EA34:9B7E (talk) 21:29, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

It's Giraldo, not Giraldo. Huh?
Band section:  "Neil "Spyder" Giraldo (incorrectly spelled as "Giraldo" in early liner notes/credits)"

I don't understand. If it was incorrectly spelled as "Giraldo", what is the correct spelling? Surely it isn't "Giraldo", unless there's something happening in the Twilight Zone. Or unless "Spyder" that was incorrectly spelled as "Giraldo". SMH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:AF2A:1A99:B1E7:4702:E56C:A3F6 (talk) 05:46, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

1971?
This bit doesn’t make sense (to me)

At 19 [in 1972], after one year at Stony Brook, she dropped out ... [in 1972? or after] Pat Benatar worked as a bank teller... [then, next para, article says] In 1971, Benatar quit her job to pursue a singing career...

So, it might be that she quit her job in 1971, then went to Stony Brook, but that’s not how it reads. Perhaps she was 17 when went to Stony Brook, or was born in 1951?

120.16.124.185 (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)MG

Punk rock and heavy metal genres
It says Benatar also does punk rock and heavy metal, but I can't find anything within the article that backs up those two genres. The other three (Rock, hard rock, and pop rock) are fine as she has and does embrace those. I am gonna remove punk rock and heavy metal while we await a consensus. Moline1 (talk) 01:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Good call. Unless a source offers some supporting evidence, I wouldn't really put either of those genres on her. A quick google didn't really dig any corroborating evidence up, either. -- spazure  (contribs) 04:22, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Not sure if those two genres were the result of unsourced changes, or if they did have sources but forgot to put them in. I had also previously removed those two genres and readded back pop rock (which had been removed for whatever reason) when I first noticed them. They were gone for a little bit, before being readded, which prompted this discussion. Also, browsing through all her albums doesn't yield those two genres either. Moline1 (talk) 17:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Benatar and MTV
I think this biography could use some more emphasis on the relationship between MTV and Benatar. "You Better Run" was likely the second song ever played on MTV, though some sources say otherwise. In a rare bit of commercialism, Benatar helped promote MTV by agreeing to appear in a television advertisement, saying "I want my MTV", joining Mick Jagger, Pete Townshend, Adam Ant, Stevie Nicks and others who also said this line. (MTV was unsuccessful until this ad campaign aired. See Sellebrity: My Angling and Tangling With Famous People and also What's the Big Idea?: How to Win with Outrageous Ideas (that Sell!).)

Before MTV, Benatar's musical image was often sexed up beyond her control, but when she realized the power of the video format, she regained control of her image and nailed it down in 1983 with "Love Is a Battlefield". In 1987 she said about Cyndi Lauper and Madonna: "The new girls talk about how they don't let anybody manipulate them and they can't understand why some of us did it. It makes me smile because I think, well, that's great to walk in after we did all the fucking dirty work. I mean we were there when people were still slapping you on the ass."

Check out the books:

Let's put in more stuff about the MTV connection. Binksternet (talk) 01:22, 30 December 2020 (UTC)