Talk:Pat Tillman

Shouldn't there be some mention of Tillman's conviction and imprisonment for assault, when he was a juvenile? Manormadman (talk) 13:04, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Prof Michael I. Niman
Who is Prof. Michael I. Niman and why is he quoted in this article? It would make sense for the article to explain why he has authority in this subject. Mosquitoer2 (talk) 11:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment on description of Tillman's killing
The circumstances of Tillman's killing are disputed, with indications towards both manslaughter and accident. The current description of the cause of death as friendly fire gives (in my opinion) too strong an impression of the latter. I believe we ought to find a more neutral way to describe it. Konli17 (talk) 13:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Although I personally believe that he was killed in friendly fire, that bit in the lede should be made more neutral. ~ HAL  333  22:16, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Attribute in the lead (note that we already attribute it in the body.) Most of the sources, especially higher-quality ones, are carefully-worded and say that eg. his death was eventually ruled to be friendly fire by congressional investigations or by the investigation by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command; our article reflects that, so the lead should as well.  I would be skeptical about replacing the word because almost any other word would carry implications that aren't well-backed-up by the sources, but given that the circumstances of his death were at least clearly disputed at the time, if for different reasons than this RFC is focused on, I don't think it weakens things too much to note the source of the final legal determinations. This is comparable to how we word coverage of crimes (stating X was found guilty by Y rather than overtly stating guilt in the article voice); while this wasn't strictly a criminal investigation it was in many respects similar. Note that this might require a degree of rewording and restructuring to the lead (I would personally prefer to avoid wording like were the subject of national attention when he was killed in action as a result of what a congressional investigation determined was friendly fire, since wedging it in there sort of implies doubt; whereas it would be better if we could split and rearrange stuff so we can say something like Investigations by the Department of Defense and U.S. Congress eventually concluded that Tillman's death was the result of friendly fire, which seems like neutral wording to me when dealing with a legal determination that was at a bare minimum controversial or shocking at the time.) --Aquillion (talk) 22:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Attribute per Aquillion.DonkeyPunchResin (talk) 18:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Some simple facts
Some things may be in dispute, but some shouldn't be.
 * What was his precise rank (E-4, E-5, or whatever) at his death? What was his function in his unit, and how many soldiers if any were under his command?  Was he commanding Serial 1?  Was the incident in daylight or night? What were Tillman's wounds?  Were there other casualties during the incident?CountMacula (talk) 02:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Results?
"According to AP analysis, three lower-level officers are expected to be punished, and Kauzlarich may be one of the three." And...? 104.153.40.58 (talk) 03:54, 15 April 2022 (UTC)