Talk:Patrician

Old stuff
What is a magistracy??? Pgan002 23:48, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)


 * Political office in the Roman Republic -- consul, praetor, etc. --Jfruh 01:28, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

--72.79.23.79 01:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)== Is Pontifex Maximus necessarily Patrician? ==

I would think that with all the Plebians (the different Caecillii Metellii, two Crassii, two Mucii,... and excuse my bad Latin plurals, if they're wrong) holding the office of Pontifex Maximus (cheif priest), it wouldn't be limited to Patricians. It seems to have been mostly patricians, but too many Plebians in there... shash 05:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Pontifices Maximi certainly weren't restricted to Plebs, considering that unlike the other religious offices--who co-opted their members--the chief pontificate was an elected magistracy. --Jello 04:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Italian hereditary title
Hereditary ranks in the Kingdom of Italy were, if memory serves, principe, duca, marchese, conte, visconte, barone, cavaliere, nobile, patrizio, signore. I may have got the order muddled a bit. &mdash;Tamfang 09:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Why arent the Claudii in the list?
 * Fixed shash 12:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Possibly extinct ones?
What is meant by this phrase? Extinct when? As written it seems to suggest that all the rest are still famous Italian families; surely this can't be meant. -- Securiger 22:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
I have some suggestions for cleanup on this article. Hopefully I'll be able to enact some of them in the future.


 * 1) It is very much wanting for sources.
 * 2) The header says the article is about patricians in ancient rome, yet we have sections on modern and fictional uses of the term.
 * 3) "Only after X Caesar said so" could probably be rephrased. And probably connected to information explaining how/why Caesar said so.
 * 4) The sections "patrician caste" and "patrician position" seem to be oddly titled, when in fact they are mostly about different eras of the term. Might due to reorganize them
 * 5) This article should probably be coordinated with the article on plebeians.

Munion 00:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

List of definite and possible patrician families (extinct ones in Italics)
None of the family names in this section appear in italics.

Also, what do the notes 'yes' and 'no' refer to under the 'possible patrician families' section? Extinct? Surviving? Is this meant to be a substitute for the italics?

Please clean up.

was Marius granted patrician status, because unless there is something i don't know about he defiantly was not a Patrician.

Medieval patricians
We appear to have no article at all on the post-antique patrician classes in Italy and elsewhere. Johnbod (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

german Patrizier
should a mention be made of german title, Patrizier, likely derived from Patrician, and common in the middle ages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.21.70.36 (talk) 16:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't it covered in Patrician (post-Roman Europe)? —Tamfang (talk) 20:40, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistency
There is an inconsistency in the text: “In the beginning of the Republic all priesthoods were closed to non-patricians.”

“Historian Adrian Richard states that patrician families were initially those who held positions within the priesthoods, and that the ancient Senate, composed of patricians, was a religious advisory body.”

So which one is the right claim? Analogica (talk) 02:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Move?

 * See discussion in Talk:Patrician (post-Roman Europe). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

non-European patricians?
Are there American patricians? C. Douglas Dillon is said to have grown up a patrician in Texas and in The Great Gatsbythe narrator is from a patrician family in the Midwestern US. Are they mislabeled or should Patrician (post-Roman Europe) be changed to Patrician (post-Roman Empire) or should Patrician (non-Europe) be added? J04n(talk page) 23:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a loose, metaphorical usage — not a formal caste (which would be unconstitutional) as in at least some parts of Europe. —Tamfang (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Piero Scaruffi
Piero Scaruffi is not a patrician, someone keeps adding it because it's an epic 4chan meme. Please revert any edits referring to Piero Scaruffi and lock the page for editing among non logged-in users. 86.23.91.40 (talk) 17:42, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * someone's MAD ^^^^^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.227.58.212 (talk) 19:44, 31 May 2013 (UTC)


 * There must be thousands of Italians who could claim the hereditary title patrizio, but it's unlikely that someone turning to this article is looking for a particular one of them. —Tamfang (talk) 20:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)