Talk:Patrick Leigh Fermor

Plagiarish
A lot of the content of this article is pretty clearly copped from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/magazine/3482547.stm. --babbage 06:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pebble Photo'
What is the significance of the pebble photograph? Stephenjh (talk) 19:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * his garden in Kardamyli was full of beautiful intricate designs in paths, patios and entrance halls all made painstakingly out of different coloured and shaped pebbles. Huguº 14:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

More obituaries
Obituaries listed in the Arts and Letters Daily, 23 June 2011:


 * Telegraph
 * Jan Morris (Guardian)
 * Christopher Hitchens (Slate)
 * Paul Rahe
 * Robert Kaplan (NY Times)
 * William Dalrymple.

There could be material in some of these obituaries that might be used to expand our coverage of Leigh Fermor's life. EdJohnston (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Jack Smith Hughes
Major Jack Smith Hughes RASC is mentioned in the Times (pg8, 10th Sept 1942) as being awarded an OBE He is also mentioned in a news article on alongside Leigh-Fermor, Moss, and others:

The Times, Saturday, Dec 02, 1944; pg. 4; Issue 50006; col E: Cornered Army On Crete 15,000 Men With 500 Guns, Patriots' Success

Obituary: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-john-smithhughes-1429675.html 212.44.19.62 (talk) 13:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The Traveller's Tree
I'm inclined to delete the statement that TTT "received negative attention for its approach to racial issues." I've added a "citation needed" tag; perhaps there were in fact negative reactions but as the article stands it's not even clear whether PLF was being accused of racism or blamed for calling attention to racial issues. It should be either sourced or dropped. 850 C (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Pictures
Can we have a bit of quality and pertinence control regarding the over-abundance of pictures? A shot of some booze in his house and an old car, for heaven's sake. Unless these objects have some active significance they have no place and just make the article look sloppy. It's an encyclopedia article not a scrapbook. Add them to the PLF category in Wiki Commons by all means but their existence alone does not mean they all have to be plastered across the article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:26, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Who are you to decide? It was HIS car, his DRINKS, which have just been written about, and view from his house, and of his files..all as if not more interesting than his WW2 miss-adventures. Rodolph (talk) 11:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What I mean is give them a chance rather than over zealously removing any character from the page. At least wait before removing them until someone has added them to Wiki-Commmons so that they can be stored with the material relevant to him there. I find it SO VERY DISHEARTENING that having given away to you & Wikipedia valuable pictures of PMLF to then find them actually thrown away. It makes me want to scream at you in an Andrew Mitchell way, but then perhaps you are not English so woulld'nt know what I mean.Rodolph (talk) 11:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, and would you add a picture of his laundry if you had it? Per WP:NOT:If you are interested in presenting a picture, please provide an encyclopedic context, or consider adding it to Wikimedia Commons.. They are welcome at Commons, here their over-abundance and limited pertinence make the article cluttered. Are you seriously suggesting a picture of some bottles is of more sigificance than the WWII exploits? Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Fermor's books are about small details, so his car and his drinks and files are relevant, the latter showing some of his method and handwriting. If you look closely at the drinks you'll see that the Ouzo bottle has his own label, and shows how his sight was failing. I gave an extra justification for the drinks tray in that a bok has just been published called DrinkTime. As I said I can't move them to Commons, so I suggest they could be tolerated where they are until they have been placed in the Commons section, as they are at this point only on the local Wikipeida. I can make them even smaller. I don't see why the photograph of the view from his house is not considered good enough? That's for destroying my soulRodolph (talk) 11:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

It's not their size that is the problem (tiny images would probably look even worse) it's their presence here. This is not a storage facility, it's an encyclopedia article. Commons is the place to store files related to a category. Why can't you add them to Commons? Whatever the reason, dumping them here willy-nilly is not the solution. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * All images are now in Wikimedia Commons, having used CommonsHelper, and are in this category, available with but a click from the external links section of this article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks for accessioning the images to Commons.Rodolph (talk) 17:13, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. Mutt Lunker (talk) 17:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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His saint's day in November?
"New Zealand writer Maggie Rainey-Smith (staying in the area while researching for her next book) joined in his saint's day celebration in November 2007". While it is of course possible that I am mistaken, I have always understood that a person's saint's day was the day of the saint with his/her baptismal name. In the case of Patrick Leigh Fermor, St. Patrick's Day is 17 March. So what was he really celebrating in November? Is St. Patrick's Day in November, if at all, in the Greek Orthodox Church? Did PLF have some other saint he had adopted as his saint's day?
 * It's explained in footnote 24: November 8 was the feast of Michael in the Greek Orthodox Church, and PLF had assumed the name "Michael" while fighting for the Greek resistance. StAnselm (talk) 15:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I am recording my thanks here as a follow-up to having sent it through the automated click-on system. CWO (talk) 22:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)