Talk:Patrick M. Byrne/Archive 3

No mention of the Wikipedia story?
As far as I understand, Patrick M. Byrne has had some kind of disagreement with some people over the Wikipedia article on naked short selling. I don't want to get into that debate, but Byrne is more famous to me for this than for, say, his education lobbying. I believe this might be worth a mention on his page.

Is there anybody who knows the story and could give a (fair and balanced) summary? (Hopefully without starting a war) Ratfox (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There would need to be rather outstandingly reliable sourcing for such a section, because this is a biography of a living person, other living persons would be named as part of reporting the issue, and because it involves a controversy. To the best of my knowledge, there is very little published in reliable, third party sources about this; this also speaks to the question of notability.  While the episode appears to have created notable tensions within Wikipedia, it is not clear whether those tensions were considered relevant, or even noted by independent observers.  Risker (talk) 19:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A good way to get around biography guidelines is to write an independent article on the incident and link to it here. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 06:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Since you ask.... I might as well correct some small factual issues. I hope that correcting small mistakes and providing links to articles does not count as "advocacy".
 * On the subject of vouchers, here is a New York Sun article from 2005. Here is a Hoover story from spring 2008. Here is a  Reuters story from summer 2008.
 * It says, "In September the same year he took over as CEO, and the following month the company was renamed Overstock.com" Actually, it might increase the accuracy slightly to say, "the following month the company was renamed Overstock.com and the Overstock.com website was launched." PatrickByrne (talk) 00:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you to the current issue of Wasatch Journal and click to page 48 there is a story that does describe my fight over school vouchers at length. I think that was the request someone made above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickByrne (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I fixed a very egregious grammatical error.
I must say that I'm shocked that nobody noticed it. A missing comma and an extra space are serious violations of the rules of grammar. However, no one has to worry about that any more. I felt the need to report my edit here because it's my understanding that all edits to this article need to be approved. I sincerely hope in the name of all that is grammar-related that you will consider keeping this edit, as it is an edit that greatly facilitates the reading of this article. I am the 0dd1. (talk) 08:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

(I was trying to write a smiley-face) :) --Thelema12 (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Over-referencing
Following recent edits by User:Bhalluka, the first sentence of this article now has forty-eight references. That's absurd, and seriously breaks up the readability of the lead. Those references should be broken up and moved throughout the article; no one sentence needs more than three or four references at most. Robofish (talk) 23:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was copy pasting from the List of Renaissance Man entry, the references are for each point made in the paragraph. That entry and the bibliography are NPOV to start the updating of this article. Bhalluka (talk) 04:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be a joke?
It was recently rewritten as the Patrick Byrne Tribute Page by an editor who has been promoting Byrne on other pages as a "polymath" and "renaissance man." Seriously, it's an embarassment to Wikipeida. 207.29.42.2 (talk) 15:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Intro, cancer, and bibliography erased by 207.29.42.2? -Bhalluka
This article has enormous constraints, placed on it, and written above: Be Polite Neutral point of view Verifiability Avoid personal attacks

You are not being polite to me, you have a POV, you are attacking me personally, and you have yet to source any of your material. Consider putting your dislike to use by finding "negative" reliable source articles and making additional tables for the bibliography section of this article. And cease disrupting the article by deleting that which is disagreeable to you. Thank you Bhalluka (talk) 06:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Patrick Byrne's introduction (and entry into the list of Renaissance man) is sourced first from Fortune magazine with cross referencing for the attributes across American universities, national and local publications. The polymath and Renaissance man lists both work on reliable sources with references demonstrating accomplishments that display "Renaissance man" or "polymath" talents. These are heavily sourced. Steve Jobs also has detractors that vandalize his polymath page entry, so I understand your emotions and desire to delete.

Patrick M. Byrne (born 1962, Fort Wayne, Indiana, United States) is an American entrepreneur, e-commerce pioneer, CEO and Chairman of Overstock.com, creator of Worldstock Fair Trade, value investor, Warren Buffett protégé, world traveler, martial artist, boxer, Marshall Scholar, philosophy doctorate, polyglot, author, investigative journalist, writer, pilot, philanthropist, successor to Milton Friedman as Chairman of the Friedman Foundation for Educational Choice, and leading figure in the campaign against corruption in American capital markets known for Dutch auction IPO, Miscreants Ball, Overstock.com v Gradient Analytics, suing twelve Wall Street prime brokerages including Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, the Market Reform Movement and Deepcapture.com.

Patrick M Byrne's intro is modeled partly on Benjamin Franklin's entry.

Benjamin Franklin "Benjamin Franklin (January 17, 1706 [O.S. January 6, 1705][Note 1][Note 2] – April 17, 1790) was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. A noted polymath, Franklin was a leading author, printer, political theorist, politician, postmaster, scientist, musician, inventor, satirist, civic activist, statesman, and diplomat. As a scientist, he was a major figure in the American Enlightenment and the history of physics for his discoveries and theories regarding electricity. He invented the lightning rod, bifocals, the Franklin stove, a carriage odometer, and the glass 'armonica'.[1] He facilitated many civic organizations, including a fire department and a university."

The cancer paragraph is referenced from multiple sources, and a bibliography is just that. A bibliography modeled on Horatio Alger, Jr.. Again please stop disrupting the article. Bhalluka (talk) 06:19, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

University Lectures
Bhalluka (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wall Street Presentations
Bhalluka (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wall Street Writings
Bhalluka (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Educational Choice Speeches
Bhalluka (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Audio and Video Interviews
Bhalluka (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Cancer
Main article: Patrick Byrne's Heavy Hitter Banquet Speech.

After graduating from Darmouth in 1985, Byrne collapsed during summer vacation in Scotland. Returning home for medical examination, exploratory kidney surgery revealed cancer metastasizing throughout his body, filling his vena cava and lungs with tumor, and causing over 20 pulmonary embolisms. After seven months in the hospital, pulmonary embolectomies, open chest surgeries, and Bleomycin chemotherapy, Byrne's cancer went into remission and he was discharged at the end of January 1986. Byrne then bicycled across America with his brother for recovery. In December 1986, an X-ray showed cancer returning to his lungs, and subsequent Bleomycin therapy put cancer into remission. Tests one month later revealed cancer returning for the third time and metastasizing in the bones. Byrne was put on salvage therapy where he elected to take part in a trial for experimental testicular cancer treatments. After large doses of Ifosfamide, biopsies from two removed ribs showed no signs of live cancer. For physical and mental recovery Byrne bicycled across America two more times. Initially private about his three years of struggle with cancer, PMC founder Billy Starr compelled Byrne to share his story at the 2000 Pan-Massachusetts Challenge Heavy Hitter Banquet. Bhalluka (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Help
This article is seriously out of date. It will take lots of work to fix it. Can somebody give me a hand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Refuse the Line (talk • contribs) 02:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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