Talk:Patrick O'Donnell (cardinal)

O'Donnell motto at the Vatican
"In hoc signo vinces" was copied from the church by the O'Ds, but the article gives the impression that "their" motto was copied all over Rome. The O'Donnell arms were granted by James I to the short-lived first earldom of 1603-1614. Could we have a source that the cardinal was descended from the earls of the first creation?86.42.199.200 (talk) 14:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not that the "O'Donnell" motto was copied in the Vatican, and the article makes no such claim, let alone "all over Rome". Reference to the Cardinal's family claim to descent from the O'Donnells of Tyrconnell, has been inserted. That does not mean descent from the Earls. The two earls (Rory and his son Hugh "Albert") left no surviving direct descendants, nor did Rory's brother, Cathbharr. The explicit remainder to the Tyrconnell title, attainted in 1614, would be to the line, if any, of Rory's nephew/first cousin, Donal Oge O'Donnell who died in 1620, and no others. That would exclude, e.g. Hugh "Balldearg" O'Donnell, and other pretenders of the Larkfield, Castlebar, and other lines.Seneschally (talk) 22:54, 26 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have removed that entire section. He might have seen the motto of his putative collateral ancestor — so what? Irrelevant speculative trivia and WP:SYNTH. jnestorius(talk) 04:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)