Talk:Patrick Roy/Archive 1

Retiring Roy's Number in Montreal?
Patrick Roy is probably the greatest player ever to play in Montreal in the last 20 years. He personally won two Stanley Cups on his back. Anyone who watched the playoff runs in '86 and '93 would agree that he was the chief architects of those Stanley Cup wins. He had flair, poise, amazing skill and talent. His flair and bad temper, however colourful, unfortunately lead to his being shipped out of town.

Should Roy's number be retired? The Montreal Canadiens hockey club is such a great organization with so many phenomenal superstars on its all time roster. However, the greatness of the club has waned. Since the retirement of Lafleur in 1984, very few truly great stars have played in Montreal. One of the exceptions is Roy.

Roy is a shoe-in to the Hall of Fame. The Avalanche have already retired his number. Perhaps the Canadiens hockey club should look beyond the petty squable that led to his trade and honour this man. Roy certainly wasn't perfect, but he was great. He was someone to aspire to be. He was a great French Canadian, a great goalie and a great Montreal Canadien. It's a shame they haven't retired his number yet. Any thoughts?

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 * Yes; that it's a subject better raised on blogs or hockey discussion forums, which this isn't. Ravenswing 04:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Being a young truth seeker myself, I find that is the biggest downfall of all for Wikipedia. It's not a place to share ideas and exchange information. It's the truth as defined by one source, repeatedly refined by infinite secondary sources whose zealous editing keeps anything significant from being accomplished in this forum. Wikipedia should be more than just an online encyclopedia, it should incorporate the points of view of its contributors and encourage discussion, not hide it away. I predict in the coming years we'll see a shift in online reference materials, but probably not here.


 * To the point though, I am first-hand aware of the impact Mr. Roy had on the city of Montreal and much of the nation during his prime. The events that led to him leaving the Canadiens are a blemish on their fine history. Hanging his jersey in the rafters is an honor that is well overdue. Regards. Blaze


 * I wouldn't call it a downfall at all, any more than it is a "downfall" that hockey games don't typically include auto races, carpentry workshops, jury deliberations or other worthy pursuits that don't in fact have anything to do with hockey. If I need reference materials, I'm looking for facts, not for debating forums.  Deliberately setting out to include multiple POVs lead not only to the fallacy that there are POVs for everything, but to the absurd situation already all too prevalent in our culture that fringe viewpoints (generally lacking any meaningful rigor of proof) held by a microscopic percentage of the population are equally valid to those widely accepted.  There are many forums that cater to such things.  Wikipedia is not one of them, and why would anyone want it to be?  Ravenswing 08:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Rivalry?
Is it worth mentioning Roy's fights against Vernon and Osgood? Being from Detroit it's always been a big deal for me, since Roy is the reason the Av/Red Wings rivalry exists.


 * Er, no, the reason there might be any such rivalry is that those two teams have been top dogs in the Western Conference for a decade, and bragging rights and Cup finals have tended to go through each other. That a couple goalies choose to flail away once upon a time is no less trivial than naming Bob Probert's top ten fights.  Ravenswing 11:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the rivalry stems from an incident when Claude Lemieux (Avalanche) blindsided Kris Draper (Red Wing) and drove his face into the top of the boards. Being the two premier teams in the West added to it but that was the defining moment when the rivalry had begun. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.197.178.2 (talk) 17:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

YOU RULE!!
Heyy patrick roy, Patrick Roy i love you even though i live in Vancouver. I am doing a project on you but i cant find too much on you:(. I asked all my buddies whoo i should do and theyy all said YOUU!!! soo now i am doing youuu. Your my heroo. I LOVE YOUU!!!! your #1 fan breanna kryska —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.207.126.84 (talk) 19:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Excuse me, this is a discussion page of Patrick Roy's article and not for fans to do what you are doing. Refer to a fan site, and not here unless you have a submission or discussion to the article.
 * Exactly. Try his fansites.  Jmlk  1  7  01:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Le Trade?
Just what in hell is "Le Trade". I mean, I can tell what it is, but I am a huge hockey & Patrick Roy fan from Montreal and have never heard the term. Perhaps it was coined by english non-montrealers but what I know is the incident definitely isnt widely known in Montreal as such. --Vineon 03:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a journalistic name. It comes up here at least.-Wafulz 04:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm a massive Avalanche fan, and I've heard it for years personally. Jmlk  1  7  04:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * yeah ok. I understand this is most likely a solely english media term and Montreal being quite a bilingual city, I can assume it comes from sources there (most likely from the Gazette, to follow your lead). However, it is not a term used in the bigger local french media at all which made me question if the article should say it is known in Montreal as such when probably most montrealers havent ever heard it.--Vineon 06:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I would agree. It seems to be a randomly heard media term at best actually.  Jmlk  1  7  17:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Consonant name! Pronunciation
I just found this article which talks about the consonance and pronunciation of Patrick Roy's name. http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~mhcote/pages/Consonant.pdf Maybe someone will have time to add some info to the article. --FR Soliloquy 07:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Good find! Jmlk  1  7  07:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Jmlk17, to help incorporate some of this information I have formated a citation. Please find it mentioned after this comment. --FR Soliloquy 07:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Côté, Marie-Hélène. Consonant Cluster Phonotactics: A Perceptual Approach. Diss. Université de Montréal, 2000. 20 Aug. 2007. pp.96, 127, 218. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FR Soliloquy (talk • contribs).

Pronunciation
Er...isn't it "wah" and not "roo-ah"? I've never heard anyone, even native French speaking Canadians, pronounce his name as a two syllable anything.


 * I've never heard of anything else myself, and the NHL's own Media Guides during his career, which include pronunciation guides, uses "wah". Ravenswing 19:13, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * Its suposed to be "rooah"(pronounced as one syllable, with rolling r and a short ah). "wah" is an approximation only. Unfortunately most English speaking people can't get the "rolling r" part (it involves moving the tongue in an unfamiliar way). Kilrogg 21:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's easier if you'ra fan of chopsocky films... Did you know he's fave goalie among HK film buffs? ;) Trekphiler 02:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I put in an IPA [ɻɑh] but I'm not an expert on this so if it's off please correct it. --Legalizeit 09:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The R roll is the rear throat trill common to French and German. The best approximation is definately not "Rwah", but "khwah", though the sound ends up closer to "wah" because of how lightly the R is pronounced here.


 * Being Québecois, His name sounds closer to "Rwah" than "Kwah". DCman 22:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * He's actually my cousin. And while I had no idea he was even famous until I was 14(because I'm a loser), it is actually supposed to be pronounced "Rwah".. but we just say "Wah". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.208.141 (talk) 02:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I dunno. I've a huge Avalanche fan, and every broadcaster here, including the official team broadcasters and arena announcers pronounced it "wah", and he apparently had to qualms about it.  Jmlk  1  7  01:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm an Avs fan too. Live in Denver. Apparently, he never had a problem with it being pronounced "wah" because his own teammates called him that(when they used his last name, which wasn't very often). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackroyfan (talk • contribs) 03:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Midle Name?
Does anyone know the middle name for Patrick Roy? I found one website that says it's Jacque. (in french). But that's only one and doesn't appear to be the most reliable of sources. Anyone that knows of a book? --CyclePat 00:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Roy, being a Quebecer, likely doesn't have any middle name to speak of, though his baptism name may have the name of his godfather in it (so it might be Joseph Jacques Patrick Roy or Patrick Joseph Jacques Roy, or some other permutation thereof, assuming that Jacques you've seen is the actual name of his godfather).--Boffob 19:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Patrick Roy doesn't have a middle name. Nobody in my family who was born in Quebec does, and yes. We are related. Any children born in America in our family are given the godmother/godfather's name as their middle name to sort of hold tradition. But no, he doesn't actually have a given middle name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.208.141 (talk) 02:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Nickname
"St. Patrick Casseau " saving nickname for future use. -Djsasso (talk) 22:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
I don't know much about hockey, but the quote in the Colorado Avalanches section seems to be the result of vandalism. Anyone? (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC). Turns out it was. Took care of that!(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC).
 * The quote was legitimate. Was it vandalism because it didn't belong there or because you didn't think it was legitimate? Seigneur101 (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Full name
On his plaque at the Hockey Hall of Fame it`s Patrick Jacques Roy as seen at 1:44 of this 2 minutes french video about the Roy family name. I wonder where Patrick Edward Armand Roy came from since there is no reference. DenisTroisRivieres (talk) 07:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Habs not Colorado
I think that the picture should be of him playing for the Montreal Canadiens, not the Colorado Avalanche! He is way more known for playing for "the Habs" then the Avalanche. Just a suggestion. SweetShawn999 (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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