Talk:Paul Berthon

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Edouard de Laveleye which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 15:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Wrong name
The name of the painter should be Paul Berthon (without Émile). Paul Émile Berthon was another French painter. 14:50, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 7 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Paul Émile Berthon → Paul Berthon – reason:see above. Compare German and French versions — Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 14:50, 7 August 2016‎ (UTC)


 * Support So there are two French artists, one who is Paul Émile Berthon and another who is known as simply Paul Berthon. I've just looked at the French language versions of the two pages, and it does appear indeed that this article is actually about the latter person (in full, Paul Louis Joseph Berthon).  On this basis, I think a 'move without redirect' would be appropriate.  Of course, if somebody is up for the task of writing an English language article about Paul Émile Berthon, then this would go at this title (and appropriate links added for the benefit of people possibly confusing the two – as the creator of this article clearly did!). — Smjg (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Support To bringing the case to order, I prepared already an article in the English language about the landscape painter Paul Emile Berthon (now on my sandbox). After moving the current article about the lithographer and poster designer Paul Berthon, my article from the sandbox will be moved into the empty place. This would complete the whole process.


 * Both artists have separate Wikidata files and Commons categories. --Szczebrzeszynski (talk) 05:11, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


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Post move
User:Szczebrzeszynski, you will notice I'm sure that I have not suppressed redirect creation, despite the strong support for this above.

This was not carelessness on my part. Rather, I am seriously concerned that the presence and absence of the middle name is not sufficient disambiguation. This artist is known by all three names, and it seems likely that he is the primary meaning of all three.

Discussion here or on my talk page welcome. I am quite happy to delete the redirect if a valid case can be made for the proposed disambiguation, but it seems to me likely that a parenthetical disambiguation is more appropriate for the new article.

Or there may well be a case for a two way disambiguation page at either Paul Émile Berthon or Paul Emile Berthon, with the other pointing to it.

It may be that the middle name is sufficient, father and son artists Claude and F. Claude are a similar case, but we do not have articles on either it seems so there is no precedent there. It just needs to be investigated further.

Note also that Salon des Cent was the only article pointing to the old article (either directly or by redirect). I have not located this link to change it. Andrewa (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC)