Talk:Paul J. Tesar/Archive 1

COI neutrality
, with your recent updates, would you consider the article neutralized for tone and free of COI, or not yet? Also pinging who approved the article. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not yet. My editing was focused on removing over-referencing, especially when the extra references were press releases. Basic housekeeping. I don't know about Paul or his area of expertise, and so cannot judge whether the article as it stands is sufficiently neutral, or still too enamored of Paul. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I deleted more press release referencing and over-referencing, but still of the opinion that the COI tag should remain. I recommend the creator of the article consider deleting all mention of Convelo, as none of the research has yet to result in an approved drug. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * and, thank you so much for your help with the edits. This is all new to me, so I appreciate your feedback. If there are other specific things I can do to improve the article, please let me know. As for the mentions of Convelo, the intent is not to publicize the company, but to list this as an academic achievement for his work in the lab. I added it in because Convelo was founded based on his research. Perhaps it would make more sense to add that paragraph into the Research section as it is a continuation of his research accomplishments? Thank you again. Marissascavuzzo (talk) 16:18, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Copy Edit Status Updates
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Upgrading to C-class
Upgrading to C-class David notMD (talk) 16:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit request
,, Thank you all very much for all your edits and help with upgrading the article. In the process, some of the changes made by Justlettersandnumbers resulted in incorrect information or deletion of factual information. Would you or others please consider the following edits and changes? I am posting them below according to the recommended format of Wikipedia:edit requests.

Change requests 1. Change “BSc in biology” to “BS in biology” in both the early life section and the infobox.

2. Change “PhD” to “DPhil” in the infobox.

3. Change “He went as a National Institutes of Health scholar to the University of Oxford where he earned a PhD in 2007.” to “As part of the National Institutes of Health Oxford-Cambridge Scholar Program, he earned a DPhil from the University of Oxford in 2007.”

4. Change “In 2010 he returned to Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine to teach” to “In 2010 he returned to Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine to open a laboratory as a principle investigator.”

5. Change “the Dr. Donald and Ruth Weber Goodman Professor of innovative therapeutics” to “the Dr. Donald and Ruth Weber Goodman Professor of Innovative Therapeutics” in both the opening summary and the career section. The chair title is a formal title and is capitalized.

6. Please add back his founding of Convelo Therapeutics in the second sentence in the opening summary: “He is the Dr. Donald and Ruth Weber Goodman Professor of Innovative Therapeutics at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine and co-founder of the biotechnology company Convelo Therapeutics.”

References: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180725005491/en/Convelo-Therapeutics-Develop-New-Regenerative-Medicines-Neurological https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/new-startup-convelo-links-old-and-new-compounds-to-myelin-repair-ms https://www.convelotx.com/team (company website)

Thank you for your help Marissascavuzzo (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My own opinion is yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no. Mentioning Convelo Therapeutics is promotional. David notMD (talk) 00:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the response and I thank all the other editors for helping with the edit request process. Regarding your last point- as a biography of a living person, my understanding is that Wikipedia’s standard is to document actions and achievements characterized by reliable secondary sources. Founding a company is a neutral fact and it documents an achievement that has been cited by many reliable sources. Founding a biotech company based on work from a laboratory is a recognized academic achievement indicating the potential for the science to further advance and impact society. There is no promotion of the company itself. Citing the founding of a company seems to be a well-accepted practice across Wikipedia (see David R. Liu and Robert S. Langer for example. Thank you very much for your help! Marissascavuzzo (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Company has not accomplished anything. Yet. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for response. I appreciate all your help on this article. Maybe we can agree to disagree on this one point and see what other editors think?  As a biography article, the simple statement that the subject co-founded a biotech company is a neutral fact in line with wiki policy and appears universally accepted in all other wiki articles on researchers. Marissascavuzzo (talk) 21:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Partly done: RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 18:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * 1,2: X mark.svg Not done; these are equivalent abbreviations (and PhD is far more common).
 * 3: Yes check.svg Done ; albeit with the same caveat about abbreviations.
 * 4: Need more information; is a "principal investigator" a teaching position?
 * 5: Yes check.svg Done
 * 6: X mark.svg Not done I am equally skeptical as to the relevance of this company; maybe open a more formal discussion (not sure if this warrants a WP:RFC or not) and try to get consensus on the matter?


 * Hi RandomCanadian, thank you for reviewing my request for edits. Please see below for clarification.
 * 1: BSc is only used in commonwealth countries while BS is used elsewhere. CWRU is in the USA and exclusively uses BS: https://bulletin.case.edu/undergraduatestudies/casdegree/#bachelorofsciencedegreetext
 * The article was originally written using BS but was changed to BSc. There was no rationale provided for the change so I’m simply asking for it to be reversed to the original abbreviation.
 * 2: I agree that the abbreviations PhD and DPhil generally have the same meaning but institutions of higher education specifically and exclusively use one abbreviation. Oxford uses DPhil: https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/courses-a-z-listing?wssl=1
 * The article was originally written using DPhil and was again changed to PhD. There was no rationale provided for the change so I’m simply asking for it to be reversed. It is a minor point but I don’t see why keeping the less correct option would be preferred on Wikipedia, especially when the original text was correct. Also, the editor who made all of these incorrect changes with no rationale or justification is the person who made a derogatory comment on my talk page.
 * 3: Thank you for changing but the new sentence is not a complete sentence. Could you change “As part of the National Institutes of Health Oxford-Cambridge Scholar Program, where he earned a PhD in 2007” to “As part of the National Institutes of Health Oxford-Cambridge Scholar Program, he earned a PhD from the University of Oxford in 2007”.
 * 4: It was incorrectly added that Paul returned to CWRU to teach. Paul returned as a principal investigator, which is a scientist leading a funded research program. This is not a teaching position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_investigator
 * Here are two potential options to consider for the sentence:
 * In 2010 he returned to Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine to open a laboratory as a principle investigator.
 * In 2010 he returned to Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine to lead a research laboratory.
 * 5: Thank you for changing the chair title in the opening summary. Can you also change it in the career section from “In 2014 he was appointed to the Dr. Donald and Ruth Weber Goodman chair in innovative therapeutics” to “In 2014 he was appointed the Dr. Donald and Ruth Weber Goodman Professor of Innovative Therapeutics”.
 * 6: Thank you for the response. The statement that the subject was “co-founder of the biotechnology company Convelo Therapeutics” is a neutral fact with reliable sources and fits the Wikipedia guidelines for biography of a living person.
 * I’m confused by the responses that the company is not relevant or has not done anything, and therefore should be omitted from this page. These seem to be partisan opinions and not consistent with BLP guidelines or common practice on scientist wiki pages. It is incredibly rare for scientific results to have enough potential to advance from an academic research lab into clinical development at a biotech company. Starting a company to advance these findings is therefore a very relevant and recognized achievement for an academic scientist.
 * Every academic scientist page on Wikipedia that I can find lists company founding as a major scientific achievement. A few examples are provided in my comments above. Maybe this is specific to certain fields, so perhaps insight from editors in the scientific research field would be helpful for this discussion. For context, Convelo has already done a major acquisition deal with the world’s second largest pharmaceutical company, Genentech/Roche. This is not intended for the page but might address the relevance and importance questions from editors. Marissascavuzzo (talk) 13:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)