Talk:Paul Reid (soccer, born 1979)

Australian footballer?
We have (Australian footballer) tacked on the end of this person's name to presumably differentiate him from some other Paul Reid, and to show that he plays Australian football. Right? No! He is, in fact, in Australian terms, a soccer player. Or in Wikipedia terms, an Association footballer. To call him an Australian footballer is just plain silly. HiLo48 (talk) 11:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 October 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved to Paul Reid (soccer, born 1979) – consensus to move, but no consensus on the new title. The requested move has been relisted three times and discussion has died down, both here and at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople). The result is a clear consensus against the existing title and its use of "footballer". There is no consensus on whether the new title should use the birth year or the nationality as a disambiguator. Recognisability was an argument in favour of Paul Reid (Australian soccer player), while consistency with other titles was an argument against. Paul Reid (Australian soccer) was suggested as being more consistent, but was not the preferred option of any participant. Because there is a consensus to move, I am moving the article, picking the option which retains the existing style choice of using of the birth year. Following WP:NOGOODOPTIONS, a new move request to a nationality-based title is permitted at any time. An RFC is of course also possible. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 08:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Paul Reid (footballer, born 1979) → Paul Reid (soccer, born 1979) – per WP:NCSP Joeykai (talk) 04:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.  Megan B....   It’s all coming to me till the end of time  13:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)  — Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 14:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Oppose as nominated. Also, (soccer, born 19##) is a very awkward format for the disambiguator, and if this is indeed the guideline's standard it should be revisited. While it is fine to prefer (soccer) over (soccer player), combining just (soccer) with the birth year doesn't make sense. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Would prefer Paul Reid (Australian soccer player), as the nationality is a more basic disambiguator and adequate for this subject. This would be similar to the title before the unilateral 2014 page move, but substituting soccer for association football. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, standard naming for Australian players. GiantSnowman 11:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose proposed as per Paul_012, but I would support his alternate suggestion of Paul Reid (Australian soccer player). The proposed title doesn't look right to me, in the same way that if the current title were Paul Reid (football, born 1979), that would look odd too. If there is only one person by this name from Australia, I don't see why we need the year of birth. Bungle (talk • contribs) 09:37, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support moving - but not with the ", born 1979" in the new title since the other footballing Paul Reids found are both English. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 09:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Standard disambiguation for footballers/soccer players. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to Paul Reid (Australian soccer player) per above. A much better disambiguator than the largely meaningless birth year, which few would recognize. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * But not consistent with other similar articles. Better to be consistent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The title that best follows the current guidelines at WP:NCSP would be Paul Reid (Australian soccer), since nationality takes precedence over birth year as the disambiguator when it's unambiguous. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Move to Paul Reid (Australian soccer player) - Far less ambiguous from what I can tell. Specifies what sort of football the subject participated in and nationality is probably a more recognisable disambiguator than birth year. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople) to address the inconsistency issue. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment Considering that a discussion has been started at the above page Megan B....   It’s all coming to me till the end of time  13:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * relisting comment the discussion is still going on. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 14:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment is it called soccer in Australia? cookie monster   755  03:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. See WP:NCFIA. HiLo48 (talk) 21:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

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