Talk:Paul Wild (Australian scientist)

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I would suggest that the photograph of Paul Wild in the infobox be returned to the caption that existed before it was changed by "Modest Genius" -- namely "Paul Wild". I know with absolute certainty that he was never known as John Paul Wild. Given that the full names of other subjects of Wikipedia articles are not invariably used, as such the caption "John Paul Wild" is misleading.

For the same reason it would be desirable to title the article itself as "Paul Wild" (currently "Paul Wild" redirects to "John Paul Wild"), with appropriate differentiation from the Swiss astronomer of the same name.

Since this matter obviously involves Wikipedia policy, with which I am unfamiliar, I am raising this as a query.

SCHolar44 (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:RM is the best place to get help with this. Mdann52 (talk) 16:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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Page name
He was known as Paul Wild, but as there is more than one Paul Wild on English wikipedia, the page name needs disambiguation. Although he was born John Paul Wild, he wasn't known as John Paul Wild, hence the page shouldn't be named John Paul Wild. There is only one John Paul Wild on English wikipedia; it does not need and should not have a disambiguating suffix. Pdfpdf (talk) 00:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Follow-on from name change
Thank you for your comments and actions, Pdfpdf and Wannupa, to change the article title to Paul Wild (Australian scientist).

Can we discuss the "(John)" component of Wild's name in the article's opening sentence?

For context, I've pasted (in italics) the relevant remarks which were on the previous Talk page -- I'm not sure why they haven't come across with the name change:

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''Contributor Wannupa has reversed my recent move (which I initiated for purposes of renaming the article) and has made the comment: "no other John Paul Wild". The anomaly is that John Paul Wild was invariably known, in his career as an eminent scientist, as "Paul Wild" -- never by his full name. Another scientist called Paul Wild is a Swiss astronomer; my addition of the words "Australian scientist", via the move, sought to make the distinction between these two scientists clearer.''

''Originally, for the same reason, I had titled the article "Paul Wild" when I first upoladed it in 2012. A contributor who called her/himself "Modest Genius" objected, hence "John Paul Wild" became the article name. "Modest Genius" then changed the name above the photograph to "John Paul Wild" before a compromise was reached: "John Paul (Paul) Wild".''

''The full names of other subjects of Wikipedia articles are not invariably used in the title. I would much prefer the article name to be "Paul Wild (Australian scientist)", given that the opening words which appear in search engines are "Dr John Paul (Paul) Wild ... was a British-born Australian scientist." Wannupa, would that allay your concern?''

''I'd welcome further discussion. SCHolar44 (talk) 18:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)''


 * I would support moving John Paul Wild to Paul Wild (Australian scientist). As you say, he was known as Paul Wild. Pdfpdf (talk) 23:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


 * As the article was named John Paul Wild and there were no other JPWs the then disambiguation was unnecessary. But as the subject was seemingly universally known by his second name from the cites, then per WP:COMMONAME the article title should be renamed Paul Wild (Australian scientist) to reflect and the opening words reflect. See Rupert Murdoch for a similar example. Wannupa (talk) 00:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

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Here's my question about the form of "(John) Paul Wild", now in the opening sentence. When I see a name expressed in that way, my initial interpretation is that there is a person called Paul Wild who prefers to be known as John, which may or may not be part of his full name. I then look at the context to see if I can resolve the ambiguity. It would be good to avoid that. What would you think if the first sentence of the article were to begin -- rather than "Dr (John) Paul Wild ..." -- as "Dr John Paul Wild, known as Paul Wild ..."? The "(John)" in the infobox caption could then be deleted to align with the article name and the caption.

I haven't been able to find any Wikipedia policy on this. What do you think? SCHolar44 (talk) 14:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * As Wannupa suggests, I also suggest you see Rupert Murdoch for a similar example. Pdfpdf (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * (Perhaps my change to "(John) Paul Wild" wasn't such a good idea, but "John Paul (Paul) Wild" isn't such a good idea either. "Dr John Paul Wild, known as Paul Wild" shouldn't be necessary.) Pdfpdf (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for reminding me of Wannupa's earlier mention of the Rupert Murdoch article (and to Wannupa for making it) -- at the time I was about to look at it when I was called away from my desk and then had totally forgotten when I returned (an 'occupational' hazard nowadays). I get it now: article name Paul Wild (Australian scientist); opening sentence "Paul Wild ..."; in infobox "Paul Wild" at top and "John Paul Wild" next to "Born". Excellent! Thanks to you both.  The learning process continues... I'll wait a little while in case you point out a misinterpretation, then I'll amend.  SCHolar44 (talk)


 * OK -- working through my e-mails now, I see you have done it, Pdfpdf. Thank you! SCHolar44 (talk) 11:24, 11 February 2018 (UTC)