Talk:Paul Winchell/Archive 1

Court case?
I heard on the radio that Paul Winchell won a court case against some media company for destroying all the existing copies of the Winchell-Mahoney Time show (probably because it was in black and white and thought not to be of value). Does anyone have details?


 * It's my understanding he was already involved in litigation over ownership of the shows and Metromedia erased the shows deliberately basically as a F-U. Ended up costing them a bucket of money.TheDarkOneLives (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Artificial Heart
I'm not sure which is correct either, as per the comment below, but this page http://www.jarvikheart.com/basic.asp?id=72 seems to indicate that a lot of Winchell's claims regarding his invention of the artificial heart are wrong, and in fact he doesn't even have the first patent. Antofthesky (talk) 18:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

There is a link to an article that debunks what Winchell claims, yet there is also another article from MIT in 2005 that supports what he did in his heart transplant contribution. Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.32.87.230 (talk) 16:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

April Winchell Quote
I'm not sure how appropriate the quote from April Winchell is for this article. It hints at deeper private issues in Winchell's life, which should be addressed in the article, although not in this way (biased POV). In an attempt to better work the quote into the article I added some additional information to preface the quote, providing minimal background hinting at the estrangement of his children. To me it still doesn't quite seem to fit, perhaps because it is a reactionary, event-based statement. --Dan East June 28, 2005 16:32 (UTC)


 * I agree, it seems almost like something that belongs on a personal website, not Wiki. Supertheman  ( talk  ) 17:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Negative aspects of his life
There are multiple items covered in his autobiography that should be mentioned in the article; family problems, drug addiction, mental and emotional problems, stuttering, etc. His mother was quite harsh with him as a child, and put the "fear of God" in him at an early age. Winchell's recent theological quest, resulting in an online book and the defunct protectgod.com website, are indications that he never resolved the religious "trauma" he experienced as a child. I find it interesting that his official website biography dedicated a few paragraphs to his theological ideas in 2003  (last three paragraphs on the page), which were completely removed in 2004, about the time he relinquished his protectgod.com website. I'm rather curious why his theological statements were removed. Did he have a change in beliefs? Did it negatively affect his public image? Did his health deteriorate to the point he no longer controlled his website, and his wife or someone else decided to remove them? There is some evidence his health had been gradually deteriorating over the last year. Winchell stated on protectgod.com website (as archived at archive.org) that he doubted he would live to see 90, so it is possible he was aware of some terminal disease process.

--Dan East June 28, 2005 17:12 (UTC)

Photo
Sorry i didnt mean to replace this image i accidently saved it under the same file name

Cause of death
Why doesn't the article mention the cause of Winchell's death? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.115 (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

What's My Line, Trivial, but Interesting
Does anyone recall either Edgar Bergen or Paul Winchell being on What's My Line as the Mystery Guest? I don't know who it was but the panel identified the contestant, Winchell or Bergen as the OTHER ventriloquist while blindfolded, and the person got very upset. It might have been live, not sure. In any case, if I am remembering it right, it suggests that Winchell and Bergen were not exactly friends. Thanks. Jimaginator 18:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Grammy on Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too!?
Did he really won a Grammy award along with the featurette (not counting on the nomination of the Academy Award, defeated by Closed Mondays)? Just wanna know. TobytheTramEngine (talk) 06:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, he did win a Grammy and I have added a citation to reference the award. Supertheman  ( talk  ) 17:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Artificial Heart and other inventions?
Sorry if I'm being slow, but I can't see any citations provided for these patents that he allegedly held. I don't want to delete them, but I've inserted the requirement, as we all know this is the sort of thing that does get added to articles by cheeky people... Tobycek (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added citations for all of the patents that were cited on reputable sources (plus, I am researching the U.S. Patent site to discover more patents). He did invent an artificial heart, in fact he was the first to patent an "artificial heart", certainly the first to patent one that is implanted into the chest cavity. Supertheman  ( talk  ) 17:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

trivia
someone needs to either implement this into the article or delete itRYNORT 07:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Significant Additions
I have added a great deal of info about his patents, his medical "career", humanitarian efforts (the tilapia farming proposal). Most of the info is about his patents, specifically the artificial heart. I added many citations as to the claims of him being the first to patent an "artificial heart" and the flap that Jarvik has started by stating that he used *none* of Winchell's design elements in his heart (interesting that Jarvik waiting until Winchell was dead to make such claims).

I removed the citation required template, because it seemed to me that with the new citations (I added seven or eight), from multiple sites (including MIT, Washington Post and NY Times). I also added a citation referencing the truth of his Grammy win. Looking over the page, and reading the discussion here, it seemed to me that this satisfied what was lacking. If someone disagrees, by all means put the template back, but please indicate on the talk page what you feel still needs citing.

There is still considerable work to be done. For example, I looked up and downloaded all the patent information I could find. There are many patents he owns not identified on the page, and some would be fun and interesting to mention (IMHO)... one is some kind of album song selector and another transfers fluids. More could be added on the lawsuit over his erased tapes, and a great deal more on his "Hollywood" career... people he worked with, shows he was on, innovations and the like (again, IMO). Please look over the page and see what you think. I'll be happy to work more on the page, as I find him a very intriguing individual; dark and tortured, yet friendly, innovative and unafraid to try almost anything. A real Renaissance man, I think. Supertheman ( talk  ) 17:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I just want to say the last time I checked this page was last year, and it was basically a small page. I am impressed how since then, with how editors have added a lot of material, and pictures to show what the man looked like. Thanks to the editors. Stopde (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Destructive cult involvement in final years?
I'm a qualified counseller specialising in guiding clients to make sense of events and situations they'd experienced in their lives which have caused damage to their relationships, especially their families. Many clients come to me after realising they had become involved in a destructive organisation of people (mostly pyramid schemes and organised religions). Almost all are suprised to know that they were not alone and what they experienced much more widespread then they thought.

Looking at the archived website "ProtectGod.com", shows many of the classic hallmarks of such involvement. I would expect the main effects of this will to be to cause the severing of familiy ties, especially to the closest members of the family (who oppose the involvement the most).

Particularly apparent is the position the author feels in his relationship with god, where he attempts to take on the burden of responsibility of 'protecting' his god. In the text of the website there have been used numerous phrases and cliques which were used by a particular organised religion at the time of writing (who they are is not important). By the way, this organised following owes its success by intentionally distorting the relationship a person has with their god. This organised religion specifically does this to increase control over the person, in essence their god becomes 'branded' with an exclusive name and susequentely sold door to door using modern sales and marketing techniques. Since man has created this 'god', members of this organisation will naturally feel a responsibility to 'protect' the name of god.

To sum up, I think Mr. Winchell may have been influenced by an organised religion which distorts the relationship between a person and their god.

I noticed in the later edited version of the Protectgod.com website, that the top-most external link is to Rick Ross (Destructive Cult expert), who you can find here on Wikipedia. 62.254.141.47 (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

He was in "Germbusters 3: The Infection" as "Grossey Grossem"?
There is no source for this info and there is no information on this game anywhere on the internet. Moreover, it seems unlikely that he did voice acting for an XBOX360 game when he died in June 2005 and the 360 wasn't released until November 2005. Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games Game isn't listed there or anywhere else.

Suspect this is vandalism. Deleting. If anyone finds a reliable source for this info, please revert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.87.100.162 (talk) 19:05, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Pig-Pen claim
The article currently claims, without sourcing, that Winchell voiced the character Pig-Pen in It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown. While the special itself does not have a credit for that voice. the books "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown": The Making of a Television Classic repeatedly credits the role (on pages 34 and 35) to Lisa DeFaria. (It would have been very odd to have Winchell in the part, as the Peanuts specials famously cast kids to do the kid roles.) I have a WP:COI with regard to Peanuts and will not do the edit myself, but in the absence of any sourcing, could someone please remove that claim? --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I have removed the bit. Thanks for pointing it out. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Move "Winchell-Mahoney Time" Before "Voice acting"?
Any thoughts? Would make article more chronological. L. Robert Taylor (talk) 13:33, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2019
Anthony Sbarra (talk) 08:11, 2 August 2019 (UTC) In the Patiants and Medical Life section, it should also say that Paul Winchell invented a feeding device for children afflicted with Glycogen storage disease.


 * Do you have a reliable sourced making that statement that we can point to as as reference? --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. as Nat Gertler said --Trialpears (talk) 22:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2019
change "SCOLLY WALLY DOO DOO" to "SCOTTY WOTTY DOO DOO" Audio source Sir Grapefellow (talk) 00:00, 8 August 2019 (UTC)Thomas webb Sir Grapefellow (talk) 00:00, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please give a reason for this change. --Trialpears (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)