Talk:Pauly & C. – Compagnia Venezia Murano

November 2008 - Article Issues
Wow, this article needs some work. I have tagged it with a bunch of maintenance tags and had a go at the last few sections...


 * The article needs some serious trimming. There are far too many minutiae about non notable items which means the article is way too long.
 * The companies name is very long, and appears in nearly every sentence. It needs shortening and switching for other terms like 'the company' it's too repetetive as is.
 * Wikilinking
 * In text citations. There is a bibliography, but nothing to say what information has come from where. This really needs doing, especially for the current facts.
 * Client list. Probably needs to go unless it can be properly cited - all companies have clients, and notability is not inherited.

I am going to tag it as needing attention from an expert as well, as I am not one on the subject. Mfield (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The article actually appears to be just a translation of the History section (Storia) on the company's (Italian) website, listed in the External links. If the website were in English I'd call it a copyvio, but since it's been translated I'm not sure. Dr pda (talk) 09:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I am not clear on the copyright situation with literal translations, or even how literal a translation this is. I have listed it at Copyright_problems/2008_November_30 to get more informed opinion. Mfield (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Comment on notability
I'm the one the copyright folk asked for advice about the closeness of the article text to the original Italian. It's actually virtually word for word from the English version of the site. Having said that, this is a very famous glass company in Italy and internationally. Their glass collection and the palazzo in which it is housed (Palazzo Pauly) is now Venice's Museum of Glass. See, for example, this Time Magazine article, this article in the Corriere della Sera,, and the Corning Glass Museum. Note also the results of a quick Google Books search Certainly deserving of an article, although obviously not a copy vio one, and one written in a neutral encyclopedic style. Voceditenore (talk) 18:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thank you again for your assistance with this. :) I've explained to the article's creator at his or her talk page that, lacking permission, we will have to replace the article with one containing new text in about a week. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes good, I don't think there is any dispute about notability, it just needs the relevant references and some actual in-text citations. If the article needs to be completely re-written then all the problems I flagged above can be addressed at the same time. Mfield (talk) 18:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A new version of the article has been placed. Deleted revisions are stored at Pauly & C. - Compagnia Venezia Murano/deleted revisions 2008-12-16. There are many redlinked artists' names, but I am not familiar enough to guess which are likely to have articles created about them in the future and which are not. Editors more familiar with the area are certainly invited to reduce overlinking. :) Thank you for helping to address these copyright concerns. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)