Talk:Pavane (Fauré)

Pavane definition
Hi, someone needs to update that pdf file, it is damaged... if it cannot be fo rany reason, can at least someone post the lyrics... --RexNecros 05:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC) The problem is not the poem which is, no doubt, p.d. but the English translation.

But there is another problem. A pavane is not a passepied even if the key and texture of the Fauré with the Debussy is similar. But I would trace the ancestry of the latter to the Passepied of Delibes from Le Roi s'amuse which is very similar in style, key and tempo if I remember correctly. I don't have time now but I might try to clean all of this up when I do.

If someone else wants to do this, Please feel free.Ed (talk) 01:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * A pavane may not be a passepied, but this is in the program notes from the U.C. Davis performance: "Ravel’s Pavane pour une infante défunte (1899) imitated Fauré’s model of 1887, as had Debussy in an F-sharp-minor pavane that became the Passepied in the Suite bergamasque (1890)." Ed8r (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction in histories
We've got one paragraph here saying that the original version was for piano and choir in the late 1880s, and another paragraph saying that it was composed as an orchestral piece in 1887. They're both supported by citations, but I don't think they can both be right. We've also got an uncited claim in the introduction that it was originally a piano piece, with no mention of a choir.

My own view is that the piano and choir claim (Howat) is probably wrong. I say this because both Nectoux and Grove Online appear to support the notion that it was written in 1887 for orchestra. Grove Online indicates (1) orchestral version with optional chorus in 1887 (chorus appears to be wordless but I'm not certain of this), (2) solo piano arrangement in 1889, (3) version for choir and piano in 1891 (believe this is when words were added), (4) version for choir and orchestra in 1901.

However, I'd prefer to check for other sources before changing the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orfeocookie (talk • contribs) 12:27, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

If one tries to search for sheet music of Fauré's original piano arrangement, there is nothing, except transcriptions by others. That would lead to fact, that original piano arrangement is either lost, ignored ot not existing at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.136.205.90 (talk) 09:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

English translation
This translation is really embarrassingly bad (in fact one word, "rabattrons", is not translated at all). There are better ones at http://www.lieder.net/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=29288 and http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_Faure's_pavane_about, but I don't know if posting them here would constitute copyright infringement. I would be happy to post an original translation, but would that be considered "original research"? John.velonis (talk) 06:55, 13 March 2016 (UTC)