Talk:Pavement (band)/Archive 1

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Indie band
Put something about how they are the only indie band ever to not suck —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.144.79 (talk • contribs)

Well, someone disagrees with you, because this gem is currently in the lead: "and their music has been a negative influence on many bands of the late 1990s." Someone do something about that POV nonsense. I'm not really someone who edits Wikipedia. -Just some guy passing through —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.128.35.251 (talk) 17:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Gary Young
I think the info on Gary Young is wrong. I'm pretty sure he left of his own accord (certainly not fired), and I've never heard about him pulling a gun on SM. Of course I have no proof at all, but on the Pavement DVD they definitely say Gary quit the band.

No one really knows if he was fired or if he quit. According to the DVD or maybe the book he bought a gun but nothing was said about him threatening SM with it.

I am going to go ahead and remove the part about Gary pulling a gun on the band. The reference that cited is dead and, I have a feeling, was not all that reliable to begin with. If someone puts it back, please have a source. DFS (talk) 07:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Watery, Domestic EP cover
I'm not sure if this is a mistake or not, but isn't the cover of the Watery, Domestic EP based on the Ambergris album? The Wikipedia article references it as a liner picture in Slanted & Enchanted.

It's both. It's a liner to the reissue.

Malkmus success
Has Malkmus really enjoyed "considerable success" as a solo artist? I would dispute that.. His popularity as a solo artist doesn't seem to have come close to that of Pavement, from my POV. Any thoughts, or am I being overly harsh?


 * I'd say he has. I mean if you look at it in comparision for both a) quirky indie rockers and b) somebody coming off one of the most sucessful indie rock bands (in terms of critical praise). Of course, he still doesn't sell a ton of records.


 * Perhaps. I remember reading that Malkmus described his solo work as "Pavement, without the rhythm parts", and I think that's very true.  While his solo work is still obviously very Pavement-esque, there are lots of subtle differences that make his solo work stand out in different ways to Pavement.


 * Of course, it depends by what you define as "popularity". Just because something is adorned by millions, it does not mean it is any good.  If you rate "popularity" by a measure of the number of CDs bought, then you are sadly mistaken again.  Pavement (IMO), produced six blinding albums in their time -- and with the recent re-release of B-sides and EPs, strengthens that for me even more so.


 * Pavement never were looking for commercial success, and I think they all conceeded that fact. They had their niche market and fans for sure, and there were a lot of them.  When "Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain" was released, they *almost* came close to commercial mainstream success with the single 'Cut Your Hair', but like times past this never happened.  I can remember when the video to 'Cut Your Hair' was played endlessly on MTV2, and a few years after, the single 'Major Leagues' was as well.


 * Pavement lead the forefront in terms of the Alternative music scene during the nineties. They will also be remembered for their early lo-fi sound.  They changed with the times, over the years as well.  The album 'Wowee Zowee' perhaps best depicts that.  That album has everything from grunge (flux=rad) to country music (Father to a Sister of Thought).  Lyrically, Malkmus is very very clever, and this alone is evident in all of his songs.


 * So, given all that Malkmus has done with Pavement, is he any better now he is solo? No one can answer that -- his music is slightly more pop-like, it won't ever be mainstream in the sense that people will be fainting at the sound of it, but there are enough people out there to appreciate the music for what it is.


 * -- ThomasAdam


 * His new album is supposed to be pretty good, supposedly as good as some of his Pavement work (like Brighten the Corners or Terror Twilight).


 * I don't think his solo work could ever live up to the brilliance of Crooked Rain and Wowee Zowee. I reckon there was a dynamic between the members at that time that was unique. It's one of those things that could never be repeated no matter how hard you tried - Makrugaik

Band name
I always wondered where pavement got their band name from, anyone know?


 * Doesnt it have something to do with the music video for "Subterranean Homesickl Blues." When Dylan says "I'm on the pavement thinkin' 'bout the government" he holds up a card with PAVEMENT on it. Is that where it comes from?


 * The name Pavement was Spiral's idea. I can't remember the origin, but I believe he said he was looking for something "ordinary"

Links and Lyrics
I think that someone ought to improve the links section. The lyrics page stinks and if you want to read more about Pavement, the reading isn't that good.

Oh, for the love of god, would someone who has actually read Perfect Soound Forever update this page? I don't feel like taking the time to do so, but it seems like half of this article could be refined through such a filter as what the members of Pavement are willing to spin as their official history. It would put to rest (somewhat) questions about whether GY pulled a gun on Malkmus and where the name comes from. You want to know where the name comes from, here it is: They had a list of words they though sounded cool, and Spiral picked "Pavemnet." There. That's the story. Read the book, please, this article is a joke. Oh and as someone who saw Pavement on the WZ tour, take Bob's words with a grain of salt. They played the hits, thet played a lot of WZ, and there were a couple of drunk/high jams. Anyone who saw them then was not disappointed in the show, but anyway. I blame the lack of bootlegs from that period as verification of that fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.241.226 (talk • contribs)

"It was the only Pavement album to include a lyric sheet." This comment in the write up of Brighten the Corners is not correct. The copy of Slanted and Enchanted (on Big Cat records) I bought in 1992 (as does the later CD reissue) have lyric sheets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.124.196 (talk) 21:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, my Slanted & Enchanted CD has lyrics, I guess it is reissue as said?

Disbanded
Wouldn't be better to state on the first paragraph that they are disbanded?

per the outcome of the AfD for Trigger Cut Plus Two
Here is the text of that article, feel free to merge in as you all see fit.

Trigger Cut Plus Two is a single released by Pavement, an extremely influential indie-rock band, in 1992. As well as the title-track, Trigger Cut, the single included two b-sides: So Sue me Jack, and So Stark (You're a Skyscraper). The song Trigger Cut was also the second track on Pavement's critically aclaimed album Slanted and Enchanted. However, on Slanted and Enchanted, it is titled Trigger Cut/Wounded-kite at :17.

 + +Lar: t/c 02:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Rock family tree
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether or not, or how, to put a rock family tree in this article? I found Family trees, but I haven't read through it fully yet. Any thoughts? Thanks. --Eric Jack Nash 16:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So, instead of creating a "tree" I used some code from The Beatles Line-Ups to create a line-ups listing. It's there in the article now.  Any thoughts?  I'd kind of like to expand it into the post-Pavement/solo era.  If there are no objections, then I'll do that later today.  Also, does anyone have any thoughts on whether this could be done for every band?  Thanks.  --luckymustard 12:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll say this, I really don't think adding the Wilco members to PSI is accurate. Sure they played on the album, but they are not members of PSI.


 * Yeah, that makes sense to me. I'll make that change soon, today or tomorrow.  Also, I'm about ready to start working on an actual tree-like looking diagram for Pavement.  I finished Beatles earlier this week, and you can see what I did here The Beatles line-ups and  here The Quarrymen.  Check their histories.  Thanks.  Oh, also, you should sign your comments.  --luckymustard 12:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

That tree is horrible, inaccurate and confusing. (this is all constructive criticism)
 * Read: Perfect sound forever by Rob Jovanovic then write it.
 * Ever heard of a band called the silver jews? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.111.13.34 (talk • contribs) 02:49, September 7, 2006  (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm back, but just for a moment. I haven't done much editing here at Wikipedia for a couple (or few) months now, but instead I just read some, check random watchlist items, and such (very low key).  Nonetheless, I felt that I had to respond to the above anon editor's comments.
 * "Read: Perfect sound forever by Rob Jovanovic then write it." I have read Perfect Sound Forever (book) by Rob Jovanovic, but I didn't take the time to write from it exactly.  You see, doing this rock family tree was just a try-out.  I only did it for a couple of bands, and since no one else (or very very few) seemed to offer up support of doing them, I've been laying low.  Someone else removed it from the article (I looked and found who it was and when they did it, but I'm not that concerned about that right now).
 * "Ever heard of a band called the silver jews?" Yeah, I've heard of the Silver Jews.  And I have actually heard the Silver Jews.  And I actually own one of their albums, Starlite Walker.  See what I did with the above referenced rock family trees that I created for the Beatles (and subsequently the Quarrymen).
 * Now, back to your originating comment, "That tree is horrible, inaccurate and confusing. (this is all constructive criticism)". "Constructive criticism"?  How about you change it yourself?  This is wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit.
 * So, for anyone that is interested, the rock family tree for Pavement that we are referring to here can be seen by going to the September 15th, 2006 edit/version of the main article. Maybe someone that believes in the rock family tree idea can add it back in.
 * And finally, as some constructive criticism for the anon, if he/she comes back, you might try to offer "valid and well-reasoned opinions", "involving both positive and negative comments, in a friendly manner rather than an oppositional one."
 * Thank you in advance for your help,
 * --luckymustard 03:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

SunnySide Up????
Can anyone help with the story behind the t-shirt SUNNY SIDE UP
 * What are you talking about? --Awiseman 21:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

what story? they have a shirt with eggs on it. the eggs are where the breasts go, the yolk is where the nipples go.

what makes you think that there is a story behind it?? 67.187.248.232 (talk) 10:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

More trivia
On a song on the Pulpo! album by Urusei Yatsura ("Kozee Heart"), the lead singer starts the song by saying, "This song is inspired by Steve Malkmus and the magic of Pavement." Andrewhime 19:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation
I can't decide whether its disheartening or apropos that Wikipedia still presupposes that someone would be about as likely to search for literal Pavement than the seminal indie-rock band of all time.

Pavement Cover Album
No mention of the James Carter,Cyrus Chestnut, et al. 2005 cover album Gold Sounds? An entire jazz album of Pavement covers seems like a noteworthy popular culture citation.--Mrdooba 23:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

someone wrote this, someone else deleted it. not sure where it should go, but it is good stuff, so i am archiving it here in case a use is found for it:

In 2005 one of the world's most influential jazz saxophone players, James Carter, arranged and recorded music of Pavement on Brown Brothers Recordings on a CD entitled "Gold Sounds." It was generally well received, one reviewer claiming that "in the end, the album provides a meaty dose of jazz that is as infectious as the pop from which it is derived." Track listing: My First Mine; Cut Your Hair; Summer Babe; Blue Hawaiian; Here; Platform Blues; Trigger Cut. Gold sounds features James Carter on tenor and soprano saxophones, Cyrus Chestnut on Fender Rhodes, piano, and Hammond organ, Reginald Veal on acoustic and electric bass and with vocals, and Ali Jackson in drums and with vocals. Blue Hawaiian on YouTube

DFS (talk) 13:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Football
I think I read somewhere that the band support Luton Town F.C.

I know it's trivia, but surely noteable for a US band to support a relatively small English football team.

Mthastings25 18:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Pop culture reference
Probably not enough for inclusion in the article, but I found it funny: Get Fuzzy Torc2 (talk) 20:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleted stuff
Why was so much of this article deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.169.127 (talk) 02:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

chronology
I fixed the Schoolhouse Rock! Rocks article but i'm confused about the chronology, is it just albums or singles or what? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

what chronology? one album and one single were released. 67.187.248.232 (talk) 10:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 23:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jovanovicp187" :
 * Jovanovic (2004), p.187.
 * Jovanovic (2004), p.194.

What about that pre-Pavement project called Lake Speed? Shouldn't that be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.150.39.171 (talk) 20:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Reunion
The band already has shows booked for this year, so I just changed (planned reunion:2010) to 2010-present. They are undoubtedly back together. 67.236.71.174 (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Matador Bio--- A JOKE!!!
Please do not make changes to this article based upon the bio at http://www.matadorrecords.com/pavement/biography.html as it is HUMOROUS FICTION. Anyone who reads this "bio" and thinks that it is an accurate history of the band should really think twice about contributing to this page. DFS (talk) 03:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

To be fair the first two paragraphs could just be put down to record label hyperbole and it's only in the third paragraph where the R.E.M. homage really becomes obvious. Ian (talk) 22:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)