Talk:Pawn Hearts/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 08:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Comments
 * Since their discog shows they made live, video and compilation albums as well, perhaps worth just an embellishment in the lead, so it states that this was the fourth studio album.
 * I'm not so sure - long running bands frequently release live and compilation albums after they split up, to get some extra cash and keep fans happy. In this case, it was the fourth studio album and fourth album overall anyway. I believe the first non-original album was 68-71, released about a year after Pawn Hearts Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not too worried, either way it's factually accurate. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * As you mention "original album", perhaps it's worth noting in the lead that the album had a 2005 reissue.
 * Good idea. Done. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * No need to link common geographical terms like Italy.
 * Fixed Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "for two months" doesn't seem to scan well for me, maybe "over a two-month period"?
 * Done Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "The album's strong commercial showing in Italy resulted in a number of lucrative tours there promoting the album," mildly repetitive use of album here.
 * I've done with "resulted in a number of lucrative promotional tours there" <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Van der Graaf Generator had stabilised around " would it be clearer to say "... Generator's lineup had stabilised..."?
 * Done, though I always thought "line-up" was a poor choice of word compared to, say, "personnel". See WP:EUPHEMISM <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't mind the use of personnel either. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "had experimented with LSD" I imagine it would be wise to directly reference this kind of claim.
 * The claim is cited to the next citation along (Christopulos / Smart p.116) I checked the source. What is actually there is an account of the band being invited to take LSD (and shoot wild boar!) on a tour break, but it neither confirms nor denies they took up the offer, so per WP:BLP, out it goes. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Following the tour, in preparation for the album" would read better (to me) if "and" was added before "in" here.
 * Done <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "H to He, Who Am the Only One‍ '​s " on my screen, the "'s" is split onto the next line, I think there's a template like that may help?
 * I've taken a brute force attack and used a pipe link - that should hopefully give you the non-breaking space <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:39, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Olivier Messiaen influenced" needs a hyphen.
 * All good. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe just me but I usually see B-side capitalised.
 * Fixed <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * AllMusic has a capital M.
 * This is one of those things I always get wrong - fixed <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "The grouped toured" one too many ed's.
 * D'oh. Fixed. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "Fish is a fan" maybe worth contextualising who Fish is to those unfamiliar with him!
 * I've gone with "singer-songwriter". I can't think of what else to use, he's not been in Marillion for decades and his style has evolved, so it would be like calling Peter Gabriel an "ex Genesis progressive rock singer" <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine, it's just there may be quite a few people who are unaware that Fish is a musician...! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * What's E & C after Hammond?
 * The model number - specifically E-112 and C-3. See List of Hammond organs (or ). The specific reason it's phrased like that is that experience has told me the only sane way of writing album credits is to reproduce them as close to verbatim as possible. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the educashun. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Any reason why Robin Cable would be red-linked and not Keith Morris? (Just a query really).
 * It would need to be Keith Morris (artist), and I tend to hold off on redlinks that need disambiguation. He's nothing to do with Keith Morris, as you might have guessed. Luxford House was a redlink until a few days ago. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, good to know your approach. I would usually create a red link, even to a dab, if I thought the notability was adequate... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Any chance of a table of chart placings as I see on most album articles?
 * It'll be a very short table. Unusually for a notable album by a British band, it didn't chart in the UK or the US. The only documented chart position I have is Italy. It might have had a minor chart placing in Belgium or the Netherlands as well, but I don't have a source for that. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not to worry. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Not too much to worry about, so I'll put it on hold for a few days. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * - I've addressed all the issues, a few things need further discussion but not much. Can you take another look? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Responded, but nothing more for you to do as far as I can see, so I'll pass to GA, nice work. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. You wait ages (well, a few weeks) for a GA to pass and then two turn up at once ;-) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)