Talk:Pawtucket tribe

Comment: I'm not seeing anything in the sources cited that definitively show that the Pawtucket are separate from the Penacook. I am currently unable to access the microfilm of Source 3. Google searches for Pawtucket tribe bring up sites saying it is synonymous with the Pennacook. The site Mary Ellen Lepionka-Native Americans of Cape Ann talks about the Pawtucket in greater detail, saying this:

They were Pawtucket and their original homelands were with the Pennacook in New Hampshire. It is surprising that this fact was not in our local historical canon. It is well documented in the earliest colonial literatures and attested to by oft-cited historical figures, such as the preacher to the Indians John Eliot and the first Indian agent for the Mass. Bay Colony, Daniel Gookin, not to mention by modern ethnographers.

The sources she cites in the above text again only seem to mention ethnographies about the Pennacook. So bottom line, I'm confused. I certainly don't want to contribute to erasure of indigenous history of New England, but I also don't want to reinvent the wheel if we can put this information in an existing article. @GenQuest:, I could really use your help on this one. Bkissin (talk) 15:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Reply: I've updated the third link which connects with a book from 1912 that includes primary sources. It refers to this group as Naumkeag Indians. Bargsnaffle (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Merge Proposal
There is an article about the Naumkeag tribe which is referenced as an alternate name of the Pawtucket in this text. A merge with the Naumkeag article might be appropriate, but the original redirect in place for Pawtucket was erroneous: the Pennacook have a different history during the 1600s, with sachem Passaconway and a territory to the north, not the south of the Merrimack River, as you can see on the primary source map in this article from 1634. Bargsnaffle (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Naumkeag is just one village within Pawtucket territory. The Pawtucket essentially morphed into the Penacook after the 1617–19 epidemic so that does seem like a good redirect. Yuchitown (talk) 06:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown


 * Oppose. There are more references in literature to the Naumkeag than the Pawtucket. There's almost no concrete information about Pawtucket in literature. If anything, the Pawtucket could be merged into Penacook. Yuchitown (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

Rename
Given that the Pawtucket are extinct and thus aren't a federally or state recognized tribe, I think a name change to Pawtucket people would be preferable to Pawtucket tribe. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 23:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It's lowercase, so doesn't present a problem. Tribe is completely appropriate here. Not into wholesale renaming of non-problematic article titles. Yuchitown (talk) 23:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)