Talk:Paywall

Article moved from pay wall
I have moved the article here from pay wall and put a redirect there, as this is the more common usage. Sources:
 * Bloomberg
 * Yahoo News
 * The Guardian
 * The Independent
 * BBC News

A search for pay wall on Google results in the message Did you mean: paywall Iain UK   talk  20:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Plans to Update and Expand
I plan to edit this entry adding updated information regarding NYTimes paywall and its reception, local newspaper paywalls, paywall builders, and paywall dodging applications. Aebcoreno (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC) I just realized that the dodging paywalls section might provide users with ways to actually dodge the paywalls--which I wouldn't want to do, but there are some controversies involving such tools that I think are worth noting. Any suggestions on how to incorporate these without promoting (for lack of a better word) their use? Aebcoreno (talk) 20:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I have made a number of changes- Firstly, the "Failed Paywall" part seemed a bit silly. Many of those paywalls didn't fail, they just changed and re-strategized, often to great success. The Newsday story is no longer relevant. That paper now has over 100k online subscribers, so the story about them only having 35 subscribers in 2010 is irrelevant. Besides, the paywall was never taken down and is still up. The News of the World paywall didn't fail either. The entire paper was eliminated due to ethical scandal. It is not that the paywall failed. Secondly, paywalls have been growing explosively, and real numbers needed to be added. I intend to update this as numbers climb, considering they show no sign of declining, and paywalls are being added every week, if not every day. I also intend to include the publishers now using paywalls- McClatchy, Scripps, Gannett, Lee Enterprises, Tribune, Gatehouse, Berkshire Media and others. I am going to wait a bit though. There are so many new paywalls coming on so quickly, it seems better to wait a few months, or even a year, for this rate of increase to slow. That way it doesn't need to be edited weekly. I am also going to start adding sections on paywall revenue. The New York Times individual paper has now reversed its revenue decline and started growing revenue for the first time in years. This is huge news and a sign of the paywall's success. I will wait till more numbers come out before adding this section. Gannett and Lee will have tens of millions of dollars in new revenue within the year from this. I will add these numbers when they actually come out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.26.125.251 (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

OK...so I also added some bits on how Clay Shirky and Felix Salmon have changed their minds on paywalls, since this is a relevant update, and the previous text stated that Felix Salmon is against paywalls. This is clearly dated, since Mr. Salmon now openly champions them. I also made small edits where the text implied that all early paywalls were failures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.26.125.251 (talk) 21:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello, would you please create French and Spanish stubs? If you search for NY Times, you can find out that mur payant (Fr) and muro de pago is used respectively. Wikipedia would contribute to limit anglicisms. BTW, the phrases are literal translations of the English original. If I knew how, I would do it myself.

New YorkTimes - does it have a paywall?
According to this article the NYT no longer has a paywall. However New_York_Times says it does. So which is it? Ottawahitech (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say the NYT page. I was trying to access something there today and hit a paywall. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk problem solving 00:10, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Scientific press
Many science publications are behind a hard paywall, seriously limiting public access to scientific and technological progress - even if that progress is made for taxpayers' money. I strongly believe that the article deserves a section addressing this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.82.34 (talk) 16:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Two years later, and nothing about academic journals. Come on Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.152.114.160 (talk) 00:29, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * There's no one in charge here; feel free to help as you can. Fgnievinski (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

YouTube
The article mostly focuses about paywalls implemented by newspapers, but many other kinds of websites have done so. And now, YouTube is headed to follow suit: http://www.androidauthority.com/google-to-introduce-two-paywalled-premium-services-to-youtube-637844/

Scholarly Research
As others have noted, this article focuses on news publications and makes no mention of scholarly publishing (including scientific presses). I'd like to reframe the article to focus on paywalls, with separate sections on paywalls in different types of publishing. Are there any objections? Megs (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Question
Why you have the section CRITICISM or using category Internet Censorship when it comes to Paywall? Spencer H. Karter (talk) 22:39, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Beginning of article and closed access template
This article is linked from the Closed access template: when a source is paywalled the reference may be followed by the template, which generates a padlock icon. When a reader hovers the mouse over the padlock (on a suitably set up system), a link to the Paywall article, and the beginning of the article are displayed (try this on the reference I cite). It is desirable to bear this in mind when editing the very beginning of the article. In particular I have modified the text to state very near the beginning that an abstract may be available without charge. My intention: if a reader simply sees that an article is paywalled, they are likely not to bother to click it. If they know an abstract is available, they may want to refer to it.

Pol098 (talk) 14:35, 17 October 2016 (UTC) Reworded slightly 19 Nov 16

New company to consider for inclusion
Wanted to suggest the inclusion of MPP Global (www.mppglobal.com), which offers paywall and access control. More information about their offering can be found here -- http://www.mppglobal.com/us/platform-us/intelligence-decisioning/. A reference to them as a paywall provider can be found here: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/05/digital-media-is-worried-readers-are-burning-out-on-too-many-ads.html

Mcaldecutt (talk) 16:50, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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overlong lede?
My impression is that the first paragraph is more than adequate to introduce and summarize the topic. The next two paragraphs spiral quickly into details that (I believe) would be better served in the article body rather than glibly addressed in the intro. Weeb Dingle (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well done. I spotted the same problem immediately.  Its because the second sentence outlines models or example frameworks.  You are correct that this content does not belong in the lead. I will do some fixing. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:33, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Low Wall
Only this year, I have noticed that following a link from a news story may lead me to a local newspaper site which detects that I have an ad-blocker in use and asks me to disable it. There may be a notice covering part of the screen that I can still scroll the article past, or the whole screen may be grayed out. Previously they just asked for permission to insert cookies. These are non-monetary payments, but I am concerned that, if they can detect that I have an ad-blocker, they may be able to do other kinds of snooping. NRPanikker (talk) 14:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Paywalled Truth and Evidence
It's a shame that even here on Wikipedia, truth and evidence is used that can't be proven real until you pay the fee. I wonder if the fee were 10 billion dollars to see that news which is critical to a case, would a person not get justice because he didn't have the money or would the court rule that society has the right to access all knowledge? When I search on Google, the first news stories or opinions that come up are those which have a paywall. I'm just looking for a good article for my students to read. You'd think that writer's would want more people to read their ideas and opinions. Well, there's something sinister in all this control over ideas and opinions. It's all connected to the many other areas where money controls things such as physical skills of an athlete or the knowledge of corporate crimes or historical records. 2405:9800:BA02:23EF:44F7:98B6:3E8D:1BA2 (talk) 02:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

If you are proposing to add that point to the article, it may be a good idea to include the fact that printed newspapers are accessible gratis at local (physical) libraries, which archive them. The concept that written news (as opposed to TV and radio) could be free of charge didn't really exist before the year 2000. Prior to the advent of the web, one had to buy a copy of a newspaper (or visit the library). The same is true of books -- buy or, again, visit the library. Remember to reference some published sources, if you want to make this point.

&mdash; Black Walnut talk 06:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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Paywall Use on Wikipedia
Hey, I am relatively new to editing (and trying to create new content) on Wikipedia. One of the things I'm finding trying to verify sources is that many news articles are placed behind a paywall. In this article specifically it discusses the dangers of Paywall, in regard to the implications of failing to furnish citizens with ready access to relevant civic information.

Given that Wikipedia is based on the free dissemination of the masses. Has there ever been a discussion on Wikipedia of restricting the use of content that is behind a paywall?

Also, welcome to advice on where best to post this Inquiry, still trying to learn the different pages, but probably also useful in a more platform-improvement specific forum. Thanks. Elvisisking (talk) 08:01, 16 April 2023 (UTC)